Argonians and Khajiit: Lizard : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:10 am

I have wanted to actually see the Sload for years.
Way to roleplay, I would make a Thalmor in a heart beat.

I couldn't do it.

Well, I could, but then I'd end up hurling my character off of cliffs and grinning evilly to myself as I rid the world of one more Thalmor.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:27 am

your wish has been granted'

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sload

No I gave him a link on the Sload. :biggrin:

Can you tell me how to type a word like you did in your link, when I post mine the entire link is listed.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:28 am

If only Beth would have stuck to the original idea that the cats and lizards would not be playable races, the fury population in the forums would be drastically reduced.

Uh, first, its "furry" (unless you're referring to the raging posters - "fury" - but I doubt that's it). Secondly, what's wrong with furries?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:54 pm

If only Beth would have stuck to the original idea that the cats and lizards would not be playable races, the fury population in the forums would be drastically reduced.

Hm? Last I checked, they were always playable. Orcs were the odd ones out, and they have a reason to be playable.

As for the furry population, I hate it when people don't know what the [censored] they're talking about. Furry=/=anthromorphic pormography despite what the internet and media would have you believe.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:05 am

I couldn't do it.

Well, I could, but then I'd end up hurling my character off of cliffs and grinning evilly to myself as I rid the world of one more Thalmor.

I would they are so intriguing.

That is a little harsh. :chaos:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:36 am

Last I checked, the only truly racist character was Rolff in Windhelm. I swear, if my eyes do not lie, that I saw a Dunmer walking to Windhelm, telling me he was going to join the Stormcloaks.

And, you use Ulfric as your only example of a racist character, because he is the only truly racist character. Rolff is a harmless drunk that hurls threats. Ulfric is a maniac that doesn't just hate non-Nords. The Stormcloaks themselves are good people, and are fighting for their beliefs. And Ulfric knows that, and is using that to make them fight for him and win the throne for him. Judging EVERY Nord with him as your only example is FAR worse than my example of the Dunmer's slavery problem. Mainly because centuries ago it was FAR more prevalent, entirely legal, and generally viewed as completely fine. Karma took it's time, because nothing bad has happened to the Dunmer, until the eruption.

I can name many non-racist Nords. Ysolda, Brunwulf Free-winter, Hadvar, Ralof (A Stormcloak), Advar, Sigrid, Gerdur, Hod, Jarl Balgruuf the Greater, Jarl Elisif the Fair, Jarl Idgrod Ravencrone, Falk Firebeard, Susanne the Wicked, Aela the Huntress, Farkas, Vilkas, Skjor, Kodlak Whitemane, etc.

So, basically every single Nord character in the game.

The Nords are far from racist, but Ulfric being a total dike to anybody that doesn't conform to his thoughts and beliefs paint them in a bad light.

My hate for Dunmer has been brooding since Morrowind, and the massive amount of love they get from fans only made it worse. I hate the race, and I love them because of it. They're compelling enough to make me hate them, and that's an ode to Beth's writing.

Misinterpretations abound here.

Ulfric is not my example for racist Nords. He was brought up to refute your defense of him not holding the Dunmer down. Your lack of justification for your hate of the Dunmer still stands. Start naming TRULY racist Dunmer please? I am sure this will end well. I am aware there are quite a few.

Where you got he was my justification for the Nords being racist is kind of a mystery to me. As it was in Morrowind the guards are the main source of racism. Also the soldiers. Although every time I walk around I encounter a Nord he talks down to me and calls me an elf in a derogatory manner. Have you played as a Mer? If not then you will have no idea of what I am talking about. Bosmer actually don't get too much flak but Altmer and Dunmer get flak from everyone. Mostly Nords. I can understand the Altmer but the Dunmer getting the same amount of racism is ridiculous. The Altmer kind of dissolved the main hero of the Human Pantheon and caused a HUGE war. The Dunmer just got shafted time and again for 200 years plus. They got their dues, and then some.

Maybe I was not specific enough. The Nords seem ignorant of other races and somewhat racist in general. At least more so than I was expecting. Lol I suppose I should not be too surprised as one of their greatest heroes wields an axe that does extra damage to elves.

I just do not see why you would hate an entire fantasy race. Especially given your reasoning. Does not add up.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:36 am

I would they are so intriguing.

That is a little harsh.

I see you are a worshiper of Chaos as well.

CHAOS UNDIVIDED! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES... Wait... what?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:49 pm

I see you are a worshiper of Chaos as well.

CHAOS UNDIVIDED! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES... Wait... what?

Bound in chains as chaos reins.

I must have some Khorne Flakes now!

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:29 am

No I gave him a link on the Sload. :biggrin:

Can you tell me how to type a word like you did in your link, when I post mine the entire link is listed.

High light the text, then hit the 'Link' button. :lightbulb:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:43 am

You want to kill an entire race(s) because you don't like the way they look... how is this not an appropriate anology? There is nothing ridiculous about Khajiit and Argonians, they are an important part of the world of TES, perhaps you need to look beyond the human provinces to see the world is not a carbon copy if Lord of the Rings.

i was being being intentionally provocative with my earlier comments, so i apologize for the sarcasm and confusion, but lets not kid ourselves, this has been a hot-button issue long before i ever started this topic. when certain motifs clash so horrendously you DO have to question the integrity of the folklore, and though i will admit, i'm no expert on the ES lore, i do know that it was HEAVILY influenced by tolkien's work. i'm not saying they're one and the same, but it seems a little unreasonable to criticize someone for drawing parallels.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:49 am

High light the text, then hit the 'Link' button. :lightbulb:

Thank you, I have been on here a while and never knew how to do that. :confused:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:02 pm

No I gave him a link on the Sload. :biggrin:

Can you tell me how to type a word like you did in your link, when I post mine the entire link is listed.

easy highlight the word then make the link

...ninjas man...ninjas

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:37 pm

i was being being intentionally provocative with my earlier comments, so i apologize for the sarcasm and confusion, but lets not kid ourselves, this has been a hot-button issue long before i ever started this topic. when certain motifs clash so horrendously you DO have to question the integrity of the folklore, and though i will admit, i'm no expert on the ES lore, i do know that it was HEAVILY influenced by tolkien's work. i'm not saying they're one in the same, but it seems a little unreasonable to criticize someone for drawing parallels.

Its also vastly different if you look into it its very unique and stands out on its own.

I see this thread had you change your avatar. :biggrin:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:06 am

i was being being intentionally provocative with my earlier comments, so i apologize for the sarcasm and confusion, but lets not kid ourselves, this has been a hot-button issue long before i ever started this topic. when certain motifs clash so horrendously you DO have to question the integrity of the folklore, and though i will admit, i'm no expert on the ES lore, i do know that it was HEAVILY influenced by tolkien's work. i'm not saying they're one in the same, but it seems a little unreasonable to criticize someone for drawing parallels.

You basically invalidated your opinion when you admitted that you are not an expert at ES lore. If you're not an expert, then leave the lore to the experts, Bethesda. They include Argonians, Khajiits, and other beast races (like Sload)? It's canon.

Deal with it.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:36 pm

easy highlight the word then make the link

...ninjas man...ninjas

Thanks for that too, I have been on here for a while and did not know that, honestly. :dead:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:28 pm

You basically invalidated your opinion when you admitted that you are not an expert at ES lore. If you're not an expert, then leave the lore to the experts, Bethesda. They include Argonians, Khajiits, and other beast races (like Sload)? It's canon.

Deal with it.

Its really not known what the Sload really are very little is known about them.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:34 pm

i was being being intentionally provocative with my earlier comments, so i apologize for the sarcasm and confusion, but lets not kid ourselves, this has been a hot-button issue long before i ever started this topic. when certain motifs clash so horrendously you DO have to question the integrity of the folklore, and though i will admit, i'm no expert on the ES lore, i do know that it was HEAVILY influenced by tolkien's work. i'm not saying they're one in the same, but it seems a little unreasonable to criticize someone for drawing parallels.

Apart from the fact that Skyrim, High Rock and, since the lore was annoyingly changed for Oblivion, Cyrodiil, LOOK somewat like the middle-earth in Tolkien's books and Jackson's films (ie. Medieval Europe), there is little in TES that resembles LOTR, particularly when it comes to the lore. You should really read the pocket guide to the empire, first edition, the monomyth, the Argonian account etc. and play Morrowind to see the diversity and strangeness of Tamriel. You will see that the majority of Tamriel doesn't even look like LOTR, let alone have the same lore. The lore particularly is vastly different.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:26 pm

Its also vastly different if you look into it its very unique and stands out on its own.

I see this thread had you change your avatar. :biggrin:

i wouldn't disagree with that. i think someone made the assumption that because i think the argonians and khajiit make the ES world look garish by comparison, i must be secretly trying to recreate the hobbit or something. to be perfectly honest, i could care less about the lord of the rings or any possible comparison between the two. i have far more allegiance to the ES, if only because of how much time i've invested in the series. and because of that investment, i sort of feel this personal responsibility to acknowledge when i feel something is amiss... like how ridiculous the cat and lizard people are.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:00 am

i was being being intentionally provocative with my earlier comments, so i apologize for the sarcasm and confusion, but lets not kid ourselves, this has been a hot-button issue long before i ever started this topic. when certain motifs clash so horrendously you DO have to question the integrity of the folklore, and though i will admit, i'm no expert on the ES lore, i do know that it was HEAVILY influenced by tolkien's work. i'm not saying they're one and the same, but it seems a little unreasonable to criticize someone for drawing parallels.

Not unreasonable to criticize someone when they are drawing unreasonable parallels. Tolkiens work was heavily influenced by Nordic Mythology. Trolls, Elves, Dark Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, Small folk, Vikings, Scandinavia, etc etc... Tolkien just gave those things his own twist. He was amongst the first to do so in a widely popular set of novels. He was also influenced by christian themes, and WW2. If you look at those things you will see their influences in many places. But the things that influenced them are even further back. So it is a bit inaccurate to say that TES is a Tolkien-esque fantasy setting when it borrowed from older mythologies. Not to mention if you actually read the lore of the series you would quickly see how it differs. Everything has some parallels. That does not mean they are related. Nor does it mean your parallels are correct.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:36 pm

i wouldn't disagree with that. i think someone made the assumption that because i think the argonians and khajiit make the ES world look garish by comparison, i must be secretly trying to recreate the hobbit or something. to be perfectly honest, i could care less about the lord of the rings or any possible comparison between the two. i have far more allegiance to the ES, if only because of how much time i've invested in the series. and because of that investment, i sort of feel this personal responsibility to acknowledge when i feel something is amiss... like how ridiculous the cat and lizard people are.

You seem to imply that they are ridiculous in fact, when in reality they are only ridiculous to YOU - in opinion. Much of the fan-base, for all their hatred and preference of the races, appreciates the lore that Argonians and Khajiits have to offer to the series.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:14 pm

op guy, you're going to hate this

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Argonian | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Imga | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit | ~~http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lilmothiit~~ | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sload

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ beast races, sine there is 4 (lilmothiit are extinct) it is clear as water that they belong and fit in perfectly, not some freak accident that happend to appear in the game one day

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragons | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ka_Po%27Tun | ~~http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Kamal~~ | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tang_Mo | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tsaesci

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ races from akavir with characteristics of beasts (kamal is an ice demon, so i dont think they would be beasts), in other words, akavir beast races

that is 8 living beast races (dragons included), that is much more prevelent than the living humans, so beasts clearly fit in better than the humans do, even without dragons the beasts are more prevelent and have a much lesser chance of being removed.

yoru argument has been killed, reserected and killed again!! many times in fact. thank you, have a nice day

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:35 am

i wouldn't disagree with that. i think someone made the assumption that because i think the argonians and khajiit make the ES world look garish by comparison, i must be secretly trying to recreate the hobbit or something. to be perfectly honest, i could care less about the lord of the rings or any possible comparison between the two. i have far more allegiance to the ES, if only because of how much time i've invested in the series. and because of that investment, i sort of feel this personal responsibility to acknowledge when i feel something is amiss... like how ridiculous the cat and lizard people are.

It would make the world less Elder Scrolls if they was not in it.
Recreating the Hobbit is a bit extreme.
If you invested a lot of time into the series how do they feel out of place, how long have you been playing?
That is why I voice my opinion on the series, that and I fully intend to invest thousands of hours into over the next several years.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 pm

i wouldn't disagree with that. i think someone made the assumption that because i think the argonians and khajiit make the ES world look garish by comparison, i must be secretly trying to recreate the hobbit or something. to be perfectly honest, i could care less about the lord of the rings or any possible comparison between the two. i have far more allegiance to the ES, if only because of how much time i've invested in the series. and because of that investment, i sort of feel this personal responsibility to acknowledge when i feel something is amiss... like how ridiculous the cat and lizard people are.

I still don't see why they're so ridiculous. We have dragons, trolls with 3 eyes and an apelike appearance, houses built from mushrooms, buildings that look like gigantic dragonfly wings, sentient trees, people made by the defecation of a god, dark grey/blue people with red eyes, gold people who want to end all life in the world, nuclear swords that destroyed a continent, giant slugs that are good at magic, elves who ride sea snakes, giant robots etc., so what exactly is so insane about lizard and cat like sentient beings?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:49 am

op guy, you're going to hate this

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Argonian | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Imga | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit | ~~http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lilmothiit~~ | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sload

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ beast races, sine there is 4 (lilmothiit are extinct) it is clear as water that they belong and fit in perfectly, not some freak accident that happend to appear in the game one day

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragons | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ka_Po%27Tun | ~~http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Kamal~~ | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tang_Mo | http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tsaesci

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ races from akavir with characteristics of beasts (kamal is an ice demon, so i dont think they would be beasts), in other words, akavir beast races

that is 8 living beast races (dragons included), that is much more prevelent than the living humans, so beasts clearly fit in better than the humans do, even without dragons the beasts are more prevelent and have a much lesser chance of being removed.

yoru argument has been killed, reserected and killed again!! many times in fact.

Thank you for all of that I just gave the Sload earlier, also there is unexplored areas of Nirn yet to be discovered.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:16 am

Its like you're one of those racist nords.....