It's pretty hard to take a guy seriously who calls himself "The Megaton Pimp" and can't even get basic words like criticize right.

Unfortunately, if that new series hasn't been on consoles yet, once it has been moved there, it won't get any better either.

Uldred

Im sorry you are not happy with it but there is good news, Oblivion is still there for you to play.

On the topic of guild quests and their length I will say this. Each guild has a main quest and side quests all their own. If you do a portion of the main quest, then do some side quests and then go back to the main quest and so on and so forth it feels right. The comments on you helping the guild make more sense as does your rise to the top.

Games aren't getting worse your growing up, in the old days games svcked if you didn't use your imagination, you expect the same experience but with the lack of imagination. So of course its a letdown for you. For me its all I ever wanted, my imagination is still working and fills in any gapes this game has.

The voice acting is at its best for the most part, yes there are a couple of voices that seem to pop up a lot but its better then having the same male dunmer voice call you outlander constantly. I think you've got a case of Nostalgia:"New games svck and old games were the best, ignoring all the improvements the new games have."

If you want a deep story read a book, seriously there's tons of interesting books that give skyrim more depth. Or you know read lord of the rings for a historical type book with lots of detail.

Eject disc, don't play... Easy

FF6
FF7
FF10
FF12
FF Tactics
Vandal Hearts (and 2)
Breath of Fire 3
Secret of Mana
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Masks
Twilight Princess
Sacred 2
Wild Arms
Tales of Vesperia <-- my fav

The same can be said for those that say "X is the best game ever." "X knocks Oblivion and Morrowind out of the park!". It's the same thing, just on the other foot. Why is it that only negative posts HAVE to have a reason why someone feels that way.

Uldred

That would be a bad assumption.
I class myself as a hardcoe gamer who`s played pretty much most RPG`s and a whole lotta other games ever since ZX Spectrum days (Level 9 txt adventures, The Orb etc).
I love Skyrim for it`s own merit and i`m not saying that as some loyalty statement to Bethesda. I also loved all the past TES series for their own unique content. Then again, I haven`t had any real technical problems with Skyrim and am also not suffering from the mindset of it`s not Morrowind 2.0, It`s not an attribute RPG, blah blah, therefore I don`t feel disappointed.

After a dearth of decent RPG`s/ARPG`s (or whatever term you want to pigeonhole them) Skyrim has been a blast of fresh air. Play something like Two Worlds 2 and then try Skyrim. Nuff Said.

I wanted to reply in the "Skyrim is soulless" thread, but that was locked due to post limit.

I'm mildly disappointed. After Morrowind, I started moderating my own expectations of a TES game. There's going to be some intense disagreement, but I play TES games for the beautiful worlds to explore. The quests, for me, are just an excuse to travel to a locale, and on my way there I get to kill high fantasy monsters while checking out the scenary. I've but no emotional attachment to any of the characters are invoked in the processes of being errand boy climbing up a guild's hierachy. All their concerns about the war and dragons are superficial comments. So your mill is threatened by the war? Imperials are enforcing forced take over of your livelihood? Who are you again? Oh another nameless NPC out of a few hundred that I know nothing about. There is only one exception,
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9092366 While I agree that is an artful manner of using an interactive medium to convey the actions of men with lusts for riches, I can't help but be reminded of Fallout: New Vegas' Democracy Inaction. In both unmarked quests the player is expected to explore and piece together the bits and pieces of evidence himself in order to appreciate the depths of human nature involved in survival. Yet Democracy Inaction has far more exposition and details to it, which makes a TES fan desire more effort to be herded into characterization and plot to further sharpen fans' appreciation of the well established lore in TES.

To be fair though, I was also disappointed by New Vegas' buggy state and the MQ's generic attempt at creating epic scenes of war. Personally I'm more interested in the characters of New Vegas, and to that end I have to comment that Obsidian did a better job at crafting memorable characters that effortlessly builds emotional binds to the player. That said, as former Black Isle people, I'm also of the opinion that New Vegas is hardly their best effort in literature. Adam Miller's Neverwinter Nights mods (Shadowlords and Dreamcatcher) are far superior in writing and any inspiring or working script writer in high fantasy games should give that a spin. I consider his campaign comparable in quality to the writing of Planescape: Torment.

The graphics are about 15% down from Oblivion which means if eye candy and exploration is what I'm after, I will replay Oblivion. I'm looking forward to building a good rig that can run Morrowoblivion. In closing, it means that my infatuation with Skyrim is probably reaching a peak. I hardly see myself replaying it 5 years down the road, unless there is word of a really good story mod from the good PC folks that work hard to increase the longevity of a game.

Sounds like you mainly like JRPGs with heavy story and minimal exploration, I could see how Skyrim wouldn't be for you then.

Hmmm. Almost all of them are JRPGs. While good (I've played most of them), they are not TRUE rpgs because the character
is already defined as per the game's story. In a true rpg, the player defines the character and decides what he/she shall be, and
that they will do. If you like mostly the story rpgs, you will not like freeform ones like Elder Scrolls, alas. ^_-

Starkiller

Can understand why someome would prefer Morrowind over Skyrim, but have a hard time seeing how someone can prefer Oblivion, unless maby it was their first TES and it's mostly nostalgia.
THe complains the OP has against Skyrim i don't share but it's the problems i have(among other things) with Oblivion(aside from beeing too short, they're just crap sans the thieves guild).
Awell, opinions and [censored]s and all that i guess.

No Immerssion? No offense but I think you are getting a negative reaction because Skyrim is different than Oblivion.


I have never played a game with more immerssion than Skyrim.

The two games that I would have said were the most immersive were Vampire Bloodlines and Dragon Age.

But for pure immerssion Skyrim is excellent.

For me Skyrim > Morrowind > Oblivion

Potential Spoiler:







nothing screams immersion like being told to visit the college of mages when you're the head of it

Pure Immersion would have been full support of Eyefinity/Nvidia Surround.

As has been said by another, elsewhere, they dropped that ball and kicked it out of the stadium. Sadly, Oblivion had full, native support of that, intended or not.

Uldred

Tho I agree with most of the titles in your list, the games you listed are all console style rpg's. Skyrim(despite its predecessors) too is obviously designed as a console game and ported to PC.
If original TES was born from console genre and ported to PC I believe people wouldnt rant this much. Imagine Zelda or FF series were designed for PC first with alot of their features cut down due to PC limitations and then ported to consoles.. LOL.
Loads of people had high expectations for Skyrim.. I can feel your frustration. People are disappointed, life is disappointing!
Anyways, as a console game Skyrim maybe be great but as a PC game its above average at best.

'Uldred' from Dragon Age?

You forget Chrono Thrigger (and Chrono Cross but not everyone would agree), and Legend of the Dragoon!!! How could you do that to these awersome games!!!


XD

No.

You know just the other day IRL, I was talking to someone from a place I teach a class at about a specific bit of history that really interests me, they told me, "You should really teach that." The problem? I already do. At the same place they work at, they see me every day. My point? Even in real life news doesn't always travel immediately, no one can read my mind, and sometimes people are honestly oblivious to their surroundings. That's not an argument for bad AI, I completely understand what you're saying. But the fact those things happen to me in real life, means that I can easily overlook it in a world that is mostly built in my imagination.

Every game has flaws. I can only speak for myself, but my enjoyment of the game has not been signifigantly reduced by the particular npc dialogue that is innacurate.

The vast majority of the game is excellent, and I am quite happy with it.

That being said, it would be nice if a patch fixed the dialogue that is wrong.

TES design has overall remained consistent i.e., the Ken Rolston philosophy that you're just not going to be stuck in a dialogue screen for too long--contrary to the Bioware approach. Some people just don't enjoy the lack of a strong structured protagonist w/ an extremely directed narrative--nothing wrong w/ that it's a taste preference.

Also, Skyrim graphically comes closer in its world building to the ideal imagined fantasy realm so that its shortcomings (inherent in virtual worlds) consequently appear more apparent (we're still quite far away from a truly intelligent living world). Thus, b/c it seems more real it paradoxically also appears more fake/illusory.

Finally, the medieval/fantasy genre (in games) is limited by the period that it's locked into and all the collateral techniques of expression available when a game is set in the digital age or in the future are necessarily absent. For example, using in-game video, audio recordings or other such techniques--hence there are inherent restraints in this genre that inhibit background expression. How many people actually really read each book--I know that I don’t.

For me, TES works best as a relaxing and enjoyable explorer/quest type simulator while accepting its limitations w/out too much angst.

Too bad you feel like that,I love all tes games.but if i had to choose wich one is the worst i most say oblivion.
Morrowind is my favourite and skyrim is getting close to being my new favourite Morrowinds spiritual succesor=skyrim

Play a different game then OP. problem solved.