I can't be the only Thalmor fan, can I? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:53 am

If you like the world, its kind of hard to side with the group that wants to un-create it.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:37 am

Why? Because they're the big bad of the future.. this is what everyone is supposed to be worried about.. and yet, most players can shred 3 of them in under 10 seconds? This might be funny for awhile and ultimate "pwnage" on their empty threats, but it's silly and bad for storytelling.. if this is supposed to be an enemy the rest of human lands have to worry about.

As much as people hate DA2, running into just one blood mage or Sarrebas is a pain in the butt, if you don't pay attention. Especially on the high difficulty. While here, you can still take out these elves easily on Master.

edit: I suppose the same gripe would pertain to most dragons, btw.

You can do the same with entire Imperial or Stormcloack camps. Who realistically speaking should be about the same in strength as a random Thalmor.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:54 am

You can't play as a Thalmor (even as an Altmer) in Skyrim and it seems that the fanbase almost universally hates the Thalmor. There have to be more fans out there...right?

(As far as I'm concerned, Talos is not a Divine. He's merely the avatar of a Divine.)

I'm a Thalmor fan, my RP inolves me as an agent of the Aldmeri Dominion. I support the Storm Cloaks as a divided Tamriel is more easily conquered. I don't believe that the Thalmor want to comitt genocide I believe they want to subjugate lesser species. If Tamriel were ruled by the Thalmor everyone would be much better off than if left to their own devices. Eliminating the worship of Talos is not a significant goal of the Thalmor, its a stated goal but what the Thalmor really want to do is crush the faith and will power of their opposion. They can better acheive this by eliminating Talos and any other figures that might foster opposition to the goals of the Thalmor.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:34 am

Sorm cloaks or Empire, both are way better than Thalmor.

1. If if stood to them, they would inslave every race in tamriel.

2. They hunted down and almost obliterated The Blades.

3. They banned worship of Talos.

Enough for me to dislike them 100%.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:36 am

What the...? Did you actually just call my artwork homo erotic and tell me I should die? Seriously? :blink:

First of all, I'm not "homo"... I'm a girl. Secondly, telling someone they should "die" is totally messed up and immature. If you don't like my art, then say it you don't like it, but don't tell me I should die! :flame:

Well, Im not a girl and I still think the Altmer in your drawing is hot

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:09 pm

They are! As was previously explained in the thread.

The Thalmor seek to destroy Lorkhan's creation to their own (and only their own!) benefit.

There's a positive side to that: even men would be freed from the torment of mortality.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:31 pm

Don't sweat it. He obviously has some mental illness, if a simple drawing invokes wishes of death on people.

His anger stems from the apparently unwelcome stirrings that the picture awoke within him, judging by his other comment.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:35 pm

There's a positive side to that: even men would be freed from the torment of mortality.

Not in the eyes of the Thalmor. They believe it is their birthright, their legacy, their destiny. They do not share. Everyone and everything else has to burn.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:27 pm

i let them live if i see them but if they make a remark that indicates they can kill me i wipe them out. last time they said they were the rightful owners of the empire and after said unless you want to find out why then leave i Thew there bodies off a cliff with Fus Roh Dah it was fun so i just decided to go to the embassy and kill em all there as well

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:01 am

Not in the eyes of the Thalmor. They believe it is their birthright, their legacy, their destiny. They do not share. Everyone and everything else has to burn.

Oh, I know that.

The true Mer races should undo the mortal plane. They are Aedra and lost a lot in the world's creation.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:07 pm

Oh, I know that.

The true Mer races should undo the mortal plane. They are Aedra and lost a lot in the world's creation.

Then there you have it.

A Thalmor victory will undo Tamriel, it will undo TES. Hence the Thalmor can not be victorious if you want TES.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:13 am

^^ this, they always seem to make a game where the oppressors get [censored]ted on later on in life ( The Dunmer from morrowind )

I think there setting the Thalmor up to be the bad guys, like a Set guys that you won't have the option of joining... seeing as some Altmer don't even like the thalmor

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:56 am

Then there you have it. :wink:

A Thalmor victory will undo Tamriel, it will undo TES. Hence the Thalmor can not be victorious if you want TES.

Well, a Thalmor victory wouldn't have to be canon...but it should be an option.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:25 am

If Talos is a god and all mighty ho ho, why isn't he doing anything? If every last one Talos supported died NOW, he would be forgotten in five minutes.

What the...? Did you actually just call my artwork homo erotic and tell me I should die? Seriously? :blink:

First of all, I'm not "homo"... I'm a girl. Secondly, telling someone they should "die" is totally messed up and immature. If you don't like my art, then say it you don't like it, but don't tell me I should die! :flame:

As a male and totally heterosixual Ancano fan, I approve of your artwork.

Well, a Thalmor victory wouldn't have to be canon...but it should be an option.

I prefer a more Fallout style approach, what they did with the Enclave - when they decided that the Enclave was here to stay they modified their plans into a far more moderate one, had them (officially) abandon genocide plans. Thus making them more humane and allowing them to be even friendlies in future issues.

I would be content with just Thalmor rule over Tamriel. I'm not an expert on the lore so can't say what this end-of-the-world thing would bring.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:46 pm

You can't play as a Thalmor (even as an Altmer) in Skyrim and it seems that the fanbase almost universally hates the Thalmor. There have to be more fans out there...right?

(As far as I'm concerned, Talos is not a Divine. He's merely the avatar of a Divine.)

Its kinda hard to like them when they want to destroy the world and are a bunch of ultra racist purists.

Wulf, at the end of Morrowind was an Avatar of a God; the Avatar of Talos. Denying his God hood is really willful ignorance by the fan's given we alreay know he's a God.

I'm a Thalmor fan, my RP inolves me as an agent of the Aldmeri Dominion. I support the Storm Cloaks as a divided Tamriel is more easily conquered. I don't believe that the Thalmor want to comitt genocide I believe they want to subjugate lesser species. If Tamriel were ruled by the Thalmor everyone would be much better off than if left to their own devices. Eliminating the worship of Talos is not a significant goal of the Thalmor, its a stated goal but what the Thalmor really want to do is crush the faith and will power of their opposion. They can better acheive this by eliminating Talos and any other figures that might foster opposition to the goals of the Thalmor.

The Thalmor's goals have always been the phsically and spiritual death of man and the world. They've also already begun initiating cleansing in both the Dominion and abroad. To say they don't want to commit genocide is ignoring the facts already presented in the game, the lore and the books.

[indent]
To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.
To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.[/indent]

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:23 pm

It would be interesting to see what races Thalmor supporters/haters play. I know there are some people that play Altmer that hate the Thalmor, but I wonder if most Thalmor supporters play Altmer? I really do think the fact that I play an Altmer mage as my primary dampens most of the annoyance I feel for them. Mostly my thoughts about the Thalmor are, "So you think that Altmer are superior, huh? Well I guess since I am Altmer and Dragonborn that makes me even more superior than you."

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:58 pm

You can't play as a Thalmor (even as an Altmer) in Skyrim and it seems that the fanbase almost universally hates the Thalmor. There have to be more fans out there...right?

(As far as I'm concerned, Talos is not a Divine. He's merely the avatar of a Divine.)

You are not alone I like the Thalmor as well. They know they are superior and they are not afraid to use that superiority, what is not to like? (no sarcasm)

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:41 pm

You are not alone I like the Thalmor as well. They know they are superior and they are not afraid to use that superiority, what is not to like? (no sarcasm)

The lack of show of superiority? :biggrin:

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:07 pm

I like killing Thalmor with my Ashlander (Dunmer).

I play a fiercely loyal Ashlander with deep clan loyalties and loyalties to the old ways. Nords, Imperials, Argonians and everyone else who was interferred with the Dunmer is on The List. When I catch people from The LIst out in the wilderness they are KOS (kill-on-sight). I leave no witnesses. This definitely includes the Thalmor. Even though my character is a Daedra worshipper, the very idea that another organization would deign to tell me character who can and who cannot be worshipped is grounds for combat.

Chaotic Evil, and loving it. Did I mention I think the Mythic Dawn were in the right?

Mwahahaha.

Oh, and yes: Death to the Thalmor!

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:10 pm

Wulf, at the end of Morrowind was an Avatar of a God; the Avatar of Talos. Denying his God hood is really willful ignorance by the fan's given we alreay know he's a God.

I don't even think the Thalmor really believe Talos is not a divine. To me it's much more likely that they simply seek to nullify or severely limit his power by stopping people from worshiping him. This also fits well in their overall scheme to undo Lorkhan's creation, Talos would be a major obstacle in that scheme. In that light I'd even say that their claim to strive for religious purity is just a pretext, to conceal their true intent to the unsuspecting and uninformed.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:00 pm

I don't even think the Thalmor really believe Talos is not a divine. To me it's much more likely that they simply seek to nullify or severely limit his power by stopping people from worshiping him. This also fits well in their overall scheme to undo Lorkhan's creation, Talos would be a major obstacle in that scheme. In that light I'd even say that their claim to strive for religious purity is just a pretext, to conceal their true intent to the unsuspecting and uninformed.

I'm certain the upper echlons of Thalmor command know he's a divine, which is why they're trying so hard to unmake him. The rank and file most likely just believe what the average mer do and just see Talos as another blasphemy of man.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:24 am

^True off course.^

Common Thalmor are just laymen doing the bidding of their high lords. It's also possible these high lords will in the end be quite unwilling to take their lower servants along for the ride. Those are off course "lesser" while superiority and worthiness are the main central aspect of their doctrine.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:58 pm

The Thalmor's goals have always been the phsically and spiritual death of man and the world. They've also already begun initiating cleansing in both the Dominion and abroad. To say they don't want to commit genocide is ignoring the facts already presented in the game, the lore and the books.

Is that canon though? Just going by what I've picked up from the games, the references in other games it seems to be mere platitudes; UESP doesn't reference this either, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Factions_T. If you can point me in the direction that says definately this is what they believe and not just what they say I'd like to take a look at it. I know its not your job to link things but to a fellow Kentuckian, I'd appreciate it.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:13 pm

Read the 4 Rising Threat volumes. That's a good place to start.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:48 am

Read the 4 Rising Threat volumes. That's a good place to start.

Thanks. You also reminded me I need to reorganize my in game library in Skyrim.