Dawnguard and Future DLC Discussion - Thread #34 : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:10 am

Either they fail, or in TES VI, you'll find a book about the biggest Dragon break EVER...

Hmm, Akatosh does seem rather fragile in that regard. "The rupture will continue until it rips Akatosh apart!" - Rassilon-looking mage.

Did that pastebin read correctly? Cliff racers returning as enemies? Guys? Cliffracers? G... Guys?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:23 am

Part of me is excited that we finally have a DLC trailer... but part of me is slightly disappointed because some of us went into the trouble of uncovering the DLC data from game files for months. Hence, much of all the content the DLC #1 has were known: snow elves, vampire focus, imp/scamp minions, the dawnguard name, crossbows, new mounts, capes

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:11 pm

^dissapointed
^{they are going in a direction i have no interest in}
^{just like ubisoft i will not be buying bethesda in the future}

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:08 am

I noticed dark dungeons on the trailer. That's something nice.

@http://www.gamesas.com/user/690361-the-unconnected-one/: Hearthfire is the name of a month in Tamriel's calendar.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:11 am

Just one thought that just occured to me.

If the Vampires successfully shut the sun off, and if the Thalmor, by use of Dawn Magic, makes it reappear in the same way as it did for the Moons... Do you realize how much influence it'll gain among the people all accross Tamriel? Entire provinces could join them, as Elsweyr did...

Besides, I fear that we won't see any Nirnroot anymore, as it is intimately bound to the sun...

I just wonder how Bethesda will assume a (permanent?) disappearance of the sun in future games... I have some fears, for I think it would make any province of Tamriel very unpleasant...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:37 am

Agreed, I wanted a Shrine at least.

I am disappointed by the DLC idea, vampires. I just see them as a side bit in Elder Scrolls, I have not seen a DLC on orgers or scamps (you missed them from the game BETH!)

What makes Molag Bal more out of place than Sheogorath?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:01 pm

I just watched the trailer a few minutes ago. I don't even care about the main theme anymore. The narration, the epic music and the crossbow in itself made me throw money at the screen, hoping that eventually someone from Bethesda will take it and hand me that sweet, sweet DLC already. Too bad that it will get released on that old piece of plastic one month earlier. Oh, well. Still awesome.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:55 pm

I hope they add spears to Skyrim, though I think they might have shown that if they intended.

I do wonder how the Molag Bol realm will work, because If I join the Dawnguard then won't I be his enemy? So why would I go to a daedra realm where he has unlimited power?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:52 am

I'm hoping to see Jyggalag, I was disapointed he wasn't in Skyrim...

Surely now that there is a new Sheogorath, Jyggalag should be fully present as a true Daedric Prince. Seems silly not to, but a new DLC around Jyggalag would be sillier.

What I want from DLC is Morrowind, Cyrodiil, (or at least parts of them), Azura's realm and the ability to join the Thalmor, (Altmeri Superiority FTW!).

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:22 pm

Surely now that there is a new Sheogorath, Jyggalag should be fully present as a true Daedric Prince.

Personally I do not consider Jyggalag to be a full Daedric Prince but an aspect of one. I posted this on UESP earlier.
From my understanding Sheogorath and Jyggalag are two separate beings but they are the same Daedra, the Prince(s) of Madness. Jyggalag claims he is the Prince of Order but he is just one aspect of Madness. Sheo' represents Bi-polar disease or if you want to use the old name Maniac-Depression. Jyggalag on the other-hand represents the often overlooked madness that is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Like many people that suffer from OCD, Jyggalag does not realise that he is mad. Therefore Peryite would be the true Daedric Prince of Order while Jyggalag is a Daedric Prince of Madness that represents the madness of order.

Besides, I fear that we won't see any Nirnroot anymore, as it is intimately bound to the sun...

Nearly all plant life is intimately bound to the sun. Though I have noticed that Crimson Nirnroot is almost the same colour as that strange cloud that blocks out the sun.

Regarding the voice actor, does anyone else think he sounds like Jeremy Irons?

I have watched the trailer several times and I have noticed that there are several places not characteristic of Skyrim.
http://i.imgur.com/S2eeMh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xOwR3h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BRpZLh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7GIvZh.jpg
If it's cold-harbour these look like nowhere in Skyrim. The architecture is very cyrodilic and unlike Skyrim most of the buildings/Walls are made of stone. The church in the background of the third picture is also like none in Skyrim. It's more like one of the churches in Oblivion. I'm not sure what to make of the last picture. The building is obviously twisted by the world but the architecture is not familiar to me. I thought it might be a cross between Dumner and Cyrodilic.

http://i.imgur.com/x1JDDh.jpg
When I saw this I assumed it was the Keep of the Dawnguard but I have a feeling it's a city. The Flora is from the Rift but the architecture reminds me of Skingrad, Anvil and Leyawiin.

http://i.imgur.com/PjDCHh.jpg
Inside the supposed Dawnguard keep it looks very much like Ulfics Palace rather than like Solitude.

http://i.imgur.com/IqpVMh.jpg
I find this interesting. The creature aside, there is nowhere in Skyrim that I can think of like that. It looks like a crypty but it looks like more like an Oblvion crypt rather than one from Skyrim.

http://i.imgur.com/K9Ww8h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/56TrEh.jpg
In the first picture you see the characteristic archictecture and you see the same similar archictecture in the second picture. The main difference is that, the second picture also contains the first Falmer bridge I have ever seen. I don't doubt the Falmers intelligence but wouldn't it be hard for a blind race to build a bridge across a huge casm? Also if you look closely you can see that the player is out in the open and not in a dwemer ruin or cave. This is also the first time that I have ever seen a falmer above the ground.

http://i.imgur.com/ctvrdh.jpg
http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Elder_Scroll
If you look closely you will notice that it is the same Elder Scroll from the Ultimate Heist quest in Oblvion. *Cough* Moths *Cough*
EDIT: It seems all the ES look the exact same

I have probaly just looked to much into this :biggrin:

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:17 am

Regarding the voice actor, does anyone else think he sounds like Jeremy Irons?

I'm still sticking to Sean Pertwee, unlikely as it may be.

Edit:

http://i.imgur.com/ctvrdh.jpg
http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Elder_Scroll
If you look closely you will notice that it is the same Elder Scroll from the Ultimate Heist quest in Oblvion. *Cough* Moths *Cough*

Dear lord, that is well spotted. I disagree about the presence of the ancestor moths though, seeing as how it was stolen from them.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:56 am

Just seen the trailer, and i am psyched! Looks like the vampire lord system will be implemented in an interesting way.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Did that pastebin read correctly? Cliff racers returning as enemies? Guys? Cliffracers? G... Guys?

That would imply that a portion of Morrowind is accessible. I don't see Cliffracers invading Skyrim, especially with angry dragons roaming around. I bet they haven't forgotten how they were kicked out of Vvanderfell...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:08 am

^dissapointed
^{they are going in a direction i have no interest in}
^{just like ubisoft i will not be buying bethesda in the future}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

I noticed dark dungeons on the trailer. That's something nice. :smile:

@http://www.gamesas.com/user/690361-the-unconnected-one/: Hearthfire is the name of a month in Tamriel's calendar.

It's also a newly registered trademark by Bethesda.

I'm still sticking to Sean Pertwee, unlikely as it may be.

Edit:

Dear lord, that is well spotted. I disagree about the presence of the ancestor moths though, seeing as how it was stolen from them.

My God. Is anyone else thinking we will get Nocturnal's Cowl Back? this is just pointing more and more towards Cyrodiil.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:08 pm

Did that pastebin read correctly? Cliff racers returning as enemies? Guys? Cliffracers? G... Guys?

Saint Jiub preserve us if it is true. I can't see it happening though. I mean, if you'll pardon the comparison they're essentially derpy wyverns - and wyverns are derpy dragons. Thus they're only two steps removed from dragons. And they're WAY more annoying. So plzno?

And more on topic - I really don't think this is about vampires. There was a Namira shrine in the trailer, yeah? I don't think Namira was ever really related to vampires specifically. That's Molag Bal and Clavicus Vile. I HOPE that it isn't vampires. More to the point - someone said it earlier and I agree, vampires have never been related to bats in TES games. These look more like gargoyles, which frankly I'd LOVE to see.

Also, I think it's ironic that the gargoyles / vampire lords / whatever they are have glowing eyes - the Dovahkiin also has glowing eyes when he goes to fight them. Betrayal? I can totally get behind that. >:3

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:21 am

http://i.imgur.com/chGA6.png

I always knew they would get their revenge one day...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:37 am

Saint Jiub preserve us if it is true. I can't see it happening though. I mean, if you'll pardon the comparison they're essentially derpy wyverns - and wyverns are derpy dragons. Thus they're only two steps removed from dragons. And they're WAY more annoying. So plzno?

And more on topic - I really don't think this is about vampires. There was a Namira shrine in the trailer, yeah? I don't think Namira was ever really related to vampires specifically. That's Molag Bal and Clavicus Vile. I HOPE that it isn't vampires. More to the point - someone said it earlier and I agree, vampires have never been related to bats in TES games. These look more like gargoyles, which frankly I'd LOVE to see.

Also, I think it's ironic that the gargoyles / vampire lords / whatever they are have glowing eyes - the Dovahkiin also has glowing eyes when he goes to fight them. Betrayal? I can totally get behind that. >:3

Skyrims Dragons are in fact Wyverns. I dont think theyre derpy

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:43 am

Skyrims Dragons are in fact Wyverns. I dont think theyre derpy

I wouldn't consider the skyrim dragons as wyverns only because of them having wings instead of forearms.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:10 am

And more on topic - I really don't think this is about vampires. There was a Namira shrine in the trailer, yeah? I don't think Namira was ever really related to vampires specifically. That's Molag Bal and Clavicus Vile. I HOPE that it isn't vampires.

That is a shrine of Molag Bal just like in

Spoiler

the abandoned house in Markath

. Namira's shrine is completely different.

Picture of Molag Bal's shrine from Skyrim : http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120513110054/elderscrolls/images/thumb/e/e7/TESV_Mace_of_Malog_Bal.png/830px-TESV_Mace_of_Malog_Bal.png

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:47 am

That is a shrine of Molag Bal just like in

Spoiler

the abandoned house in Markath

. Namira's shrine is completely different.

Picture of Molag Bal's shrine from Skyrim : http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120513110054/elderscrolls/images/thumb/e/e7/TESV_Mace_of_Malog_Bal.png/830px-TESV_Mace_of_Malog_Bal.png

And the vampire have a molag bal emblem on his armor.

I think we are going to coldharbour..
http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_283672_thumb_wide940.jpg

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:55 pm

And the vampire have a molag bal emblem on his armor. :smile:

I think we are going to coldharbour..
http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_283672_thumb_wide940.jpg

I hope they have scamps over their, and other daedra missing from this game.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:49 am

Everyone seems a little too worried about this dlc in my opinion. Remember, this isn't a twilight love story!
I'm not worried in the slightest, and personally vampires never grabbed me in any of the elder scrolls (there was never a point to them)
who wants to loose a tan just to feed on else god-hater and creep around the sweet roll shop anyway?
Back on topic. The trailer was so atmospheric/dark. I have complete faith in Bethesda, have we forgotten shivering isles so quickly? they know what they're doing.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:26 am

I hope we can enlist our followers into the Dawnguard.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:06 am

just want the crossbows, and that epic horse in the trailer. Hopefully we get to use the fortress as our house after we do the quest

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:24 am

Isn't the magic itself at risk being seriously weakened by a disappearance of the sun? If I recall well, the sun is a hole created by Magnus when he journeyed to Aetherius, and it is the main source of Magicka in Nirn, isn't it?

Besides, in case the sun would be occulted/obstructed/veiled/distroyed, don't you think the Psijic Order,

Spoiler

now owning Magnus' eye,

would try to repair it?

I really wonder how they'll manage the consequences of this in further DLCs and in TES VI...

And I am really impatient to discover Dawnguard's story and the new lore it'll bring...