Dawnguard June 26 10-20 hours : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:45 am

Meh. This DLC looks "meh" at the very best...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:44 am

Hello Se?or Cinco. Hope you're doing dandy.

I just can't see how ANYONE could possibly think they came close to doing every quest and exploring every dungeon in 130 hrs. That is without reading the first book.

I too am curious about any dev team giving 20 hr content for free.

I have exceeded the estimated 300 hrs of gameplay for Skyrim by 5Xs, with 18 different characters, and I have experienced about 75% of the total content.

Well, the issue is how they got to that price point. 1/3 of 300 hours is 100 hours, not 20. I think it's expensive and disproportionately so.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:07 am

You also have to think that there is 2 factions and you can choose between either. I'm sure the quests and everything is different if you side with one over the other. So there is replayability with new content that would extend that 10-20 hours. Plus let's not forget everything else that is added including the mounted combat and skill trees. I say it's worthy of a $20 price for quality content.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:53 am

Hi again.

You also have to think that there is 2 factions and you can choose between either. I'm sure the quests and everything is different if you side with one over the other. So there is replayability with new content that would extend that 10-20 hours. Plus let's not forget everything else that is added including the mounted combat and skill trees. I say it's worthy of a $20 price for quality content.

Mounted combat has already been added. For free. A word of gratitude to Betehsda.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:58 am

it's probably 10-20 hours if you rush through the main quests and know exactly what to do. probably 20-40 hours if you take your time and explore and do everything.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:31 pm

Well, the issue is how they got to that price point. 1/3 of 300 hours is 100 hours, not 20. I think it's expensive and disproportionately so.

No it isn't.

As already stated by many others 20 hours is still longer than 90% of other games on the market and this is just dlc. Are you suggesting then that Skyrim should be for the 300 hours gameplay that many will get should therefore cost $900 which is how disproportionately Skyrim was priced at............ in the players favor in that case.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:27 pm

Meh. This DLC looks "meh" at the very best...

Fine by us, well enjoy it while you "meh"

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:40 am

Hi theer Twitch S Simons.

No it isn't.

As already stated by many others 20 hours is still longer than 90% of other games on the market and this is just dlc. Are you suggesting then that Skyrim should be for the 300 hours gameplay that many will get should therefore cost $900 which is how disproportionately Skyrim was priced at............ in the players favor in that case.

I beg to differ. This is a game add-on, so the price of the base game, Skyrim, is our reference. This is the price we have to compare Dawguard's against with. So, yes, I think it's expensive, and disproportionately so.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:16 pm

Hello Se?or Cinco. Hope you're doing dandy.
Well, the issue is how they got to that price point. 1/3 of 300 hours is 100 hours, not 20. I think it's expensive and disproportionately so.

Why do I get the feeling these little greetings of yours are less than genuine? I may be wrong...

The price is the issue? For who? You?

I see it as no issue at all. Like Dinky the Dinosaur said about comparing it to other forms of entertainment...it is very cheap when broken down to per hr basis. $20 dollars is hardly an issue for 20 hrs+ of content. That is with just one character. If you are among true TES fans, then you will be playing through this multiple times and thus exceeding this 20hr cap by several fold.

Plus it adds content that is reflected to the core game.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:51 pm

I beg to differ. This is a game add-on, so the price of the base game, Skyrim, is our reference. This is the price we have to compare Dawguard's against with. So, yes, I think it's expensive, and disproportionately so.

Compared to Skyrim the price is disproportinate but compared to how much enjoyment you can get from other media Bethesda give better value for money so I am happy pay the moey for it.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:39 am

Hi theer Twitch S Simons.

I beg to differ. This is a game add-on, so the price of the base game, Skyrim, is our reference. This is the price we have to compare Dawguard's against with. So, yes, I think it's expensive, and disproportionately so.

I kind of agree and I kind of don't. I agree that using other games as points of reference is not right, but on the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen an addon that gave the same value in hours/$ as the base game. It is usually somewhat less, but how much less varies from game to game. The other thing that has to be kept in mind is whether this 10-20 hour estimate uses the same methodology/criteria as the original game's 300 hour estimate. So I'm not yet sure what to think.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:37 pm

You know, considering alot of PC gamers run Skyrim on Windows, and Microsoft makes Windows, it's a bit odd that Windows users aren't included in that timed release. Then again Skyrim runs on Steam and not Game For Windows Live, so that may be the issue.

I think it's more that they want to move more traffic on to the xbox.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:24 am

Stop complaining.... It could have been 5 hours of content for $20 and most of us would have bought it. lol.

Just be glad Bethesda doesn't take advantage of it's customers like every other gaming company. *cough* EA *cough*

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:25 am

I kind of agree and I kind of don't. I agree that using other games as points of reference is not right, but on the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen an addon that gave the same value in hours/$ as the base game. It is usually somewhat less, but how much less varies from game to game. The other thing that has to be kept in mind is whether this 10-20 hour estimate uses the same methodology/criteria as the original game's 300 hour estimate. So I'm not yet sure what to think.

I supspect if you take your time do any side quests (I assume there will be some), don't fast travel etc it will be longer than the 20 hours

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:47 pm

Hi again!

Why do I get the feeling these little greetings of yours are less than genuine? I may be wrong...

The price is the issue? For who? You?

I see it as no issue at all. Like Dinky the Dinosaur said about comparing it to other forms of entertainment...it is very cheap when broken down to per hr basis. $20 dollars is hardly an issue for 20 hrs+ of content. That is with just one character. If you are among true TES fans, then you will be playing through this multiple times and thus exceeding this 20hr cap by several fold.

Plus it adds content that is reflected to the core game.

I don't know why you "get the feeling these little greetings of yours are less than genuine". You are free to believe what you will. On topic, I see your point, as things are relative, but relative to what? To me, the most important reference here is Skyrim's orginal price tag. If Beth managed to sell 300 hours worth of content for 60 bucks, I think it's reasonable to expect 20 hours for less than 20 bucks. For Skyrim, Beth had to develop the Creation Engine, Radiant Story and all the other tech. As far as I know, not so with Dawnguard. The same applies to landmass. Do you see what I'm getting at?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:43 pm

Hi again!

I don't know why you "get the feeling these little greetings of yours are less than genuine?". You are free to believe what you will. On topic, I see your point, as things are relative, but relative to what? To me, the most important reference here is Skyrim's orginal price tag. If Beth managed to sell 300 hours worth of content for 60 bucks, I think it's reasonable to expect 20 hours for less than 20 bucks. For Skyrim, Beth had to develop the Creation Engine, Radiant Story and all the tech. As far as I know, not so with Dawnguard. The same applies to landmass. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Relative to entertainment in general. You are looking at the wrong way, by trying to make a deductive comparison to the 300 for 60 thing.

I see the 300 / 60 deal as just that. One Hell of a deal. I will gladly pay 20 for the extra 20 hrs. I will promise you I will get more than my monies worth.

In closing...will you buy it? I think that answer is probably, yes. I may be wrong...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:26 pm

And this is where arguing price to Hours ratio is all kinds of a flawed practice, get off of it k thanks

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:28 am

I am laughing so hard at the people whining right now.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:55 am

twenty bucks for twenty hours seems fair

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:40 am

twenty bucks for twenty hours seems fair

That's excluding the extra playthroughs for some.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:02 am

And this is where arguing price to Hours ratio is all kinds of a flawed practice, get off of it k thanks :biggrin:

Okay im confused?! Who's side are you on?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:23 pm

Hi again.

Relative to entertainment in general. You are looking at the wrong way, by trying to make a deductive comparison to the 300 for 60 thing.

I see the 300 / 60 deal as just that. One Hell of a deal. I will gladly pay 20 for the extra 20 hrs. I will promise you I will get more than my monies worth.

In closing...will you buy it? I think that answer is probably, yes. I may be wrong...

Let's agree to disagree. I will be passing this particular DLC, due to the price/main theme combo. But I'm looking forward to see what else they have up their sleeves!

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:02 pm

Okay im confused?! Who's side are you on?

You're confused because I don't fit your preconceptions, sorry. your dichotomies can go shove themselves out the window.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:14 am

You're confused because I don't fit your preconceptions, sorry. your dichotomies can go shove themselves out the window. :biggrin:

HUH? you mistake me good sir all im asking are angry or content with the hours of content were getting, which probably equals more, if i offended you I did not mean to

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:57 am

can't wait for it looks awesome 10-20 hours is well worth $20 most full priced $60 games don't even last for around 10 hours anymore