However, in lore, this was supposed to be unique to the "Order" of Cyrodiil, and because of pure laziness and time constraints (11/11/11), Bethesda decided to recycle it in Skyrim. In TES II: Daggerfall, you actually had to kill every 24 hours (Didn't matter what you killed, could even be a Ghost or Rat) in order to be able to Rest or Fast Travel. In TES III: Morrowind, you didn't even have to kill or feed off of anything. It was just plain a stat/ability boost that made you burn in the daylight and made almost every single NPC in the entire game instantly hostile to you. Being a Vampire in Morrowind without mods, just plain [censored] svckED!

And that is where the implication comes in. Time and time again when a mortal makes a deal with Clavicus Vile, there is always a price to be paid. Considering the Cyrodiilic vampires greatest strength is their knack for blending in, it is safe to assume if they wish any greater power than that, they must forsake the consumption of blood for four days, and lose their mortal countenance. It would be unlike Vile to grant Cyrodiilic vampires the ability to blend in and a more controlled sense of the thirst without providing them with a drawback. It is not in his nature to be overly benevolent. We see how he gives his vampiric worshipers a "cure". Or a cure for a wizard's Lycanthropic daughter. We see how he claimed back his Masque from Avalea when she most needed it.

When supernatural pacts are made, you can expect there is always a price to be paid. The Circle from the Companions made a pact with the Glenmoril Witches, to be granted greater power if they hunted in the name of their Lord, Hircine. And the cost of that, depending on the point of view of the werewolf, was their soul. A Nord dreams of Sovngarde, but upon death, Hircine has a foothold over them, though I am sure you know this.

Whose to say that they're the ones that made the deal with Vile though? They mention their bond with Vile, but that's because he created them. It doesn't mention them making a pact. The deal could have been struck by a group of vampire hunters instead. Considering how his dealings usually work out, I'd wager it's more likely that vampire hunters made a deal with Vile to make vampires weaker so they could kill them easier, but Vile gave them the ability to blend in at the cost of their strength. That'd be a good way of establishing the origins of this new strain, and it's in a way that the deal maker still loses, which is par for the course when dealing with Vile it seems.

They honor both Molag and Clavicus. They know Molag Bal created them, but Clavicus altered them. Likewise how Glenmoril witches altered the Circle, but Hircine ultimately created werewolves.

Whose to say that they're the ones that made the deal with Vile though? They mention their bond with Vile, but that's because he created them. It doesn't mention them making a pact. The deal could have been struck by a group of vampire hunters instead. Considering how his dealings usually work out, I'd wager it's more likely that vampire hunters made a deal with Vile to make vampires weaker so they could kill them easier, but Vile gave them the ability to blend in at the cost of their strength. That'd be a good way of establishing the origins of this new strain, and it's in a way that the deal maker still loses, which is par for the course when dealing with Vile it seems.

Molag Bal created Vampires to kind of kick Arkay in the nuts... I don't think Vaermina had anything to do with it.

Thehttp://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum says they made the deal with Vile, the Daedric prince of plots.
Molag Bal created vampires and vampirism itself is possibly created by Vaermina.

During the Morrowind quest to cure vampirism, Molag Bal (or an aspect thereof) remarked that: 'it was not easy to obtain the cure from Vaermina, but I succeeded after some.. discussion.'

The cure, yes. But she did not create the affliction.

If Molag Bal created the disease, would he not have the cure?
If Vaermina has nothing to do with the creation of the disease, then why does she have a cure that Bal needed to wrest from her?

It fits Bal's sphere to be the prime vector of the plague, it fits Vaermina's sphere to create the disease.
Quite possibly they were in cahoots.

It only says they have a bond with Vile. If someone made me able to sneak around people who wanted me dead, I'd consider us to have a bond too, whether or not they gave me the power because I asked for it or because they wanted to mess with someone else.

Considering deals struck with Clavicus Vile rarely turn out good for those who made them, I believe that they didn't make the deal, but rather someone seeking harm for vampires did.

"To patron Clavicus Vile, beacon oer our affairs, we owe our successes and social stature. Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy. For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power."

Look, its fine if in your downtime you want to point at a chicken and say thats not a chicken because a chicken doesnt look like that, but if you insist on doing that on a forum I read, tetchyness happens.

The text clearly indicates a pact with the Prince of plots.

Serious werewolf? Your finally getting the expansion that you had *Cough* wet *cough* ( ) dreams about and your complaining about one small detail

Serious werewolf? Your finally getting the expansion that you had *Cough* wet *cough* ( ) dreams about and your complaining about one small detail

There is no reason to even remove the stage 4 blood-starved state. We have three different methods of feeding now. Blood bottles and regular feeding on non-slumbering people. When the message pops up saying you are blood-starved, just sneak and drink the blood from the bottle(which is confirmed to count as feedings) or bite a unnamed NPC farmer or bandit. Why even remove this?

I looked around for a confirmation but I never found one.

There will be blood bottles?

Im trying to find a link now.

Edit: Damn it sorry guys, I was wrong, Cant find it. It must of been an article with the standard vampire perks and they said "one of the benifits of being a vampire lord is that they will only attack you in lord form" I could of sworn I saw a screenshot though that said "townspeople wont attack you at hunger stage 4" I will keep looking.

They were mentioned in at least one of the previews - as a thing we'll be able to buy in Castle Volhikar.