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Wait wait wait, are you calling me a dang casual gamer because I like vampires how they should be and are irl movies and books and such? I am sure but vampires DRINK blood, that should NOT be a penilty at all, it just doesn't make any sense, they need blood so they don't starve!
Would it make sense that if I was starving, ate some bread than became hunger or weaker from eatting food that should make me full and strong?No it doesnt.

Exactly.

I hope they will change the vampire progression system. A fully fed vampire should be the strongest and each day that you dont feed more penalties kick in. That`s a logical system.
And they should make it like in Oblivion where you will be only attacked if you directly talk to guards or other people because they look in your face. I find it silly that the whole town runs amok as soon as I enter a town at stage 4. Does everyone have Hawkeyes or binoculars?

But...Clavicus...nevermind.

All the people who are complaining about how the feeding system doesn't make since should stop because it has been explained! The vampires are like that because of a pact with Clavicus Vile, yes it doesn't make sense, but that is what the pact was they either chose power-monster or weaker-human looking vampire.

not being attacked at stage 4 makes sense... id rather be around a vampire with self control then one that feeds every day.

But after a while of not feeding a vampire will go insane with thirst, look at the Grey-Prince's father in Oblivion

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Wait wait wait, are you calling me a dang casual gamer *and others* because I like vampires how they should be and are irl movies and books and such? I am sure but vampires DRINK blood, that should NOT be a penilty at all, it just doesn't make any sense, they need blood so they don't starve!
Would it make sense that if I was starving, ate some bread than became hunger or weaker from eatting food that should make me full and strong?No it doesnt.

I know it is lore but also the whole "lore is lore" argument failed in relating it to wearing a full suit of armor that covers your face and body, again just because your character is say a stage level 4 vampire the only way people SHOULD know this is if A.They have seen a vampire wearing that same suit of armor before and guess it is you B.See you without the helmet OFF and see you ARE a vampire.

Just because you are a vampire wearing a cloak or hood or helmet that covers your face fully or in shadow, unless they remove it or get super close to you they should as normal NPCS should not be able to see thru anything. Its like the glitch where putting a iron pot over their head, that was realistic in the sense it cut off their vision.

Also very shocked at you W&V I thought when Skyrim came out again you were the first one there with me defending the cases of how freaken stupid the vampire feeding was and how it didn't make sense.

Truth be told, I can give a flying [censored] about the lore now specially around Vampires it has still and always will be the stupidiest and not thought out thing in the game and the way they deal with it? Oh lets put in a thing that we will put into the lore dealing with this guy maken a pack with so and so here ya go. And that is suppoused to make it all dandy?? -___o

But after a while of not feeding a vampire will go insane with thirst, look at the Grey-Prince's father in Oblivion

Lore > Game.
Especially in TES.
If you play the games without giving any attention to the lore, well its certainly possible and its a choice people can make, but it does mean that like with an iceberg youre barely scratching the surface.

Vampirism came to being because Molag Bal wanted to mess with Arkay. He [censored] a woman who then died and became the first vampire.
Some vampires have entered into a pact with another Prince, Clavicus Vile, who is the Daedra most close to our traditional devil, in that they both like to collect souls in exchange for deals that never turn out exactly like the wisher intended.

As has also been pointed out, the mechanism makes perfect sense.
Because blood works to invigorate a vampire with the life of its victim, thereby bringing it closer to a semblance of life.
It is also not uncommon at all in other works of fiction for vampires to require regular feeding to stall turning into an abomination, I am for instance reminded of the works of Anne Rice.

That you dont like it, fine. But dont go pretending it 'makes no sense' or is 'stupid' just because of that, when it makes demonstrative sense from a lore point of view, a mechanical point of view and is a common way to describe vampirism in other media.

Lore > Game.
Especially in TES.
If you play the games without giving any attention to the lore, well its certainly possible and its a choice people can make, but it does mean that like with an iceberg youre barely scratching the surface.

Vampirism came to being because Molag Bal wanted to mess with Arkay. He [censored] a woman who then died and became the first vampire.
Some vampires have entered into a pact with another Prince, Clavicus Vile, who is the Daedra most close to our traditional devil, in that they both like to collect souls in exchange for deals that never turn out exactly like the wisher intended.

As has also been pointed out, the mechanism makes perfect sense.
Because blood works to invigorate a vampire with the life of its victim, thereby bringing it closer to a semblance of life.
It is also not uncommon at all in other works of fiction for vampires to require regular feeding to stall turning into an abomination, I am for instance reminded of the works of Anne Rice.

That you dont like it, fine. But dont go pretending it 'makes no sense' or is 'stupid' just because of that, when it makes demonstrative sense from a lore point of view, a mechanical point of view and is a common way to describe vampirism in other media.

im willing to bet the dragonborn has sufficient willpower to stop that, count hassildor did

I have read all of Ann rice books on vampires, and drinking blood does not make them weaker. As they get older they require less blood. And no one is pretending it doesn't make sense. Blood should enhance their powers make a vampire stronger and help them blend. Not drinking blood should make them weaker and look more like a monster and therefore not blend in.

Screw the dragonborn! I think being dragonborn has nothing to do with willpower, only difference between him and a normal human is that he can absorb dragon souls.

i agree that is the only unique trait a "dragonborn " in general would have.... but i roleplay my character so im pretty attached. and the can do it so......

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I understand that regluar feeding would make you more human but how does it make sense it would make you weaker? In every other vampire film or movie out there I have seen the blood starved vampire is the insane one thus is not STRONGER for it in sense he gets more powers normally by feeding urself u get stronger not weaking, in the lore of this game they reverse that. I just still find it stupid so imo it IS stupid, you don't have to think that but I do cuz thats not how I have been raised on vampires all my life.


AKA: The lore of vampires in this game TO ME does NOT make perfect sense, if you all want to go with it and play nice than so be it.

OMG....-__-
I understand that regluar feeding would make you more human but how does it make sense it would make you weaker? In every other vampire film or movie out there I have seen the blood starved vampire is the insane one thus is not STRONGER for it in sense he gets more powers normally by feeding urself u get stronger not weaking, in the lore of this game they reverse that. I just still find it stupid so imo it IS stupid, you don't have to think that but I do cuz thats not how I have been raised on vampires all my life.


AKA: The lore of vampires in this game TO ME does NOT make perfect sense, if you all want to go with it and play nice than so be it.

Fair enough, I just don't see the dragonborn as having more willpower, and I try to avoid being the dragonborn.

I have read all of Ann rice books on vampires, and drinking blood does not make them weaker. As they get older they require less blood. And no one is pretending it doesn't make sense. Blood should enhance their powers make a vampire stronger and help them blend. Not drinking blood should make them weaker and look more like a monster and therefore not blend in.

Have they already chosen the beta testers? If you don't get it, will they email you letting you know?