Dead Money fact sheet : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:32 pm

Why else would I, or anybody be playing a single player RPG? Self satisfaction. Maybe I'm just too use to playing pen and paper games with my friends.

Again, that's not the point. The point is that Bill Cutter isn't going to be recognized by the game. Wouldn't it be better if he were recognized by the game? What if the game gave you extra perks, or certain NPCs reacted differently to him because of your self-imposed rules?

Unfortunately, such a system doesn't exist in New Vegas, making self-imposed rules meaningless in terms of the game world and how it reacts to your character.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:28 pm

-Pull hair in frusteration-

A LEVEL CAP INCRESE!!?!?!?!

arrrrg!!

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:58 am

Guys, stay on subject, reasons for not increasing levels any further.
The "harder creatures" ("NO IT WONT BE UNBALANCED THEY WILL ADD harder creatures) means the return of bullet sponges, you know those things that couldn't be killed by a trash-compacter due to unrealistic health levels.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:26 pm

Again, that's not the point. The point is that Bill Cutter isn't going to be recognized by the game. Wouldn't it be better if he were recognized by the game? What if the game gave you extra perks, or certain NPCs reacted differently to him because of your self-imposed rules?

Unfortunately, such a system doesn't exist in New Vegas, making self-imposed rules meaningless in terms of the game world and how it reacts to your character.

The game doesnt recognize anyones role-play...who cares. I recognize it.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:56 am

My character was PERFECTLY balanced!

I maxed out ONE skill (Energy Weapons) Was 80 in Medicne, 75 in Guns and about 65 in Lock Pick.

Now I will Max out more skills! Arrg! My character has less weaknessess!!

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:30 am

Guys, stay on subject, reasons for not increasing levels any further.
The "harder creatures" means the return of bullet sponges, you know those things that couldn't be killed by a trash-compacter due to unrealistic health levels.

But we already at maxed out our combat skills.

It is just like Broken Steel, which your 100 combat skill become meaningless and only super duper uber weapon to make combat feels "right".

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:54 pm

The game doesnt recognize anyones role-play...who cares. I recognize it.

Well, despite that and while it being true, the initial point still remains.... That while allowing it, game should not force people to roleplay outside of the game to find the challenge or experience the game sets out to offer.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:10 am

Well, despite that and while it being true, the initial point still remains.... That while allowing it, game should not force people to roleplay outside of the game to find the challenge or experience the game sets out to offer.

Agreed.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:23 pm

Well, despite that and while it being true, the initial point still remains.... That while allowing it, game should not force people to roleplay outside of the game to find the challenge or experience the game sets out to offer.

The game doesn't force me to. I force me to. I have 7 role-plays over 400 hours in and have done everything in the game, twice even. If I wanna challenge myself, or role-play a character from popular media I will and I'll have more fun doing it than making TEH SNIPERZ BUILD or some overpowered build.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:16 pm

majority of these posts prove the fact ppl love to force feed their B U ll **** down ppls throats .What gives yall the rite to not allow me to be a god character if i feel the need?Obsidian,bethesda aint forceing you to choose to be a god if u dont want to hell if the perks are cheap choose something else.Tired of ppl and their need to subjugate others to their view.Give ppl the option to be a god or a gimped character I F they feel the need.Im pro choice in regards to this if u dont like it dont go down the path .Lol seriously why do ppl get angry when others play in a way they dont like>

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:33 pm

majority of these posts prove the fact ppl love to force feed their B U ll **** down ppls throats .What gives yall the rite to not allow me to be a god character if i feel the need?Obsidian,bethesda aint forceing you to choose to be a god if u dont want to hell if the perks are cheap choose something else.Tired of ppl and their need to subjugate others to their view.Give ppl the option to be a god or a gimped character I F they feel the need.Im pro choice in regards to this if u dont like it dont go down the path .Lol seriously why do ppl get angry when others play in a way they dont like>

If the game lets you be a god, then EVERYONE would be forced to do so. You cannot throw away skill points you know.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:37 am

If the game lets you be a god, then EVERYONE would be forced to do so. You cannot throw away skill points you know.

True, and there's also no option to not level up. Well, that is, unless you stop doing quests or engaging in combat.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:14 pm

yes you can you just put them in survival or repair

If people don't like it then they'll mod a new level cap when the DLC comes out for PC.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:45 pm

The game doesn't force me to. I force me to.

Are you not understanding on purpose here or am I being thoroughly unclear?

You are free to roleplay the way you want, if you want to RP a pacman character or a tetris block or John Rambo, so be it, the game should allow you to. But the game, by it's premise and set rules, should not require the player to do so in order to find challenge.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:15 pm

majority of these posts prove the fact ppl love to force feed their B U ll **** down ppls throats .What gives yall the rite to not allow me to be a god character if i feel the need?Obsidian,bethesda aint forceing you to choose to be a god if u dont want to hell if the perks are cheap choose something else.Tired of ppl and their need to subjugate others to their view.Give ppl the option to be a god or a gimped character I F they feel the need.Im pro choice in regards to this if u dont like it dont go down the path .Lol seriously why do ppl get angry when others play in a way they dont like>

You cannot choose not to level up.

You cannot choose not to allocate skill points when you are forced to level up.

You cannot choose not to take a perk when you are forced to level up.

What gives you the right to force your bull [censored] down my throat? What gives you the right to force me to play a god character?

:facepalm:

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:49 pm

True, and there's also no option to not level up. Well, that is, unless you stop doing quests or engaging in combat.

Or founding new location.

I better get NVMM and ready for NVOL.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 pm

majority of these posts prove the fact ppl love to force feed their B U ll **** down ppls throats .What gives yall the rite to not allow me to be a god character if i feel the need?Obsidian,bethesda aint forceing you to choose to be a god if u dont want to hell if the perks are cheap choose something else.Tired of ppl and their need to subjugate others to their view.Give ppl the option to be a god or a gimped character I F they feel the need.Im pro choice in regards to this if u dont like it dont go down the path .Lol seriously why do ppl get angry when others play in a way they dont like>

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The game isn't supposed to make you a god, it's not the Fallout way, the game is centralised on a specialized character, having mastery in one or two things, but having weaknesses to hold him onto the ground and offer something resembling a challenge or obstacle.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:18 pm

yes you can you just put them in survival or repair

If people don't like it then they'll mod a new level cap when the DLC comes out for PC.

While I love mods, modders shouldn't be expected to take over and fix the mistakes made by developers.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:22 pm

What's the point of this level cap increase? Is 30 levels somehow not enough?

Sheesh, so much for the whole "balance" thing Obsidian had going. (admittedly a little too balanced, case in point energy weapons, but balanced nonetheless.)

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:03 pm

I'm imperfect enough in real life. I don't mind being awesome in a video game. Isn't that what they're for? How does stumbling across a locked safe you can't open because your lockpick skill is too low add any depth to the game or the character you made? Taking into consideration things that are that trivial does not make your character interesting. Unless you're playing as some dude who is renowned for being bad at opening things.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:07 am

While I love mods, modders shouldn't be expected to take over and fix the mistakes made by developers.

Shouldn't be, I agree. But having observed everything with the Bethesda name on it since Morrowind, I'm beginning to think "modders...fix[ing] the mistakes made by developers" is part of someone's business model now. :shrug:

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:35 pm

Are you not understanding on purpose here or am I being thoroughly unclear?

You are free to roleplay the way you want, if you want to RP a pacman character or a tetris block or John Rambo, so be it, the game should allow you to. But the game, by it's premise and set rules, should not require the player to do so in order to find challenge.

Its not requiring me though. I don't understand your point. I'm not even role-playing the butcher because I want a challenge, I'm role-playing it because I want to role play the butcher. Were you see a game that your suppose to play a certain way, I see a medium in which to play a single player pen and paper game anyway I want, but on the console. It has nothing to do with challenge, or premises, or rules, or anything else. Its because i want to role play the Butcher.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:52 pm

Okay Obsidian, if you're dead-set on raising the cap to 35, can you at least not include "Almost Perfect" as a perk? That and "Puppies!" were probably the dumbest single ideas that Bethesda ever conceived of.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:02 pm

lol man yal make me laugh invest in crap if u dont want to be over powered.aka barter speech survival .invest points into skills u could careless and that wont make you a ungodly machine of whoop ass.in simple gimp your self if u want to have that real survivor deal .But then again ppl gona whine no matter what i type lol

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:49 pm

lol man yal make me laugh invest in crap if u dont want to be over powered.aka barter speech survival .invest points into skills u could careless and that wont make you a ungodly machine of whoop ass.in simple gimp your self if u want to have that real survivor deal .But then again ppl gona whine no matter what i type lol

I get the feeling that your first RPG was probably TESIV: Oblivion. :facepalm: