Thats not to bad, just grind more. Whats the levvel cap ?

I dont liek that system. so I clearly cant beat a boss, now I restart even weaker an msut kill him to get stronger... Yeah I sense many rage quits.

The level cap is when all your stats are at 99.


Body form isn't all it's cracked up to be. The only plus to it is you have all your health, rather than 75% (with Cling Ring). And you do more damage in soul form, which can make some bosses easier.

And if you can't beat a boss, you need to develop a new strategy for beating it. I did really bad on the Man-Eater many times, then I got the fireball spell, used the environment to my advantage, and beat him. This game doesn't [censored] you over, you always have the tools needed to survive. If you die, well, it's entirely your fault, not because the game is too hard. This game refuses to hold your hand, and that is a breath of fresh air.

Well...yes and no. There's no lobby system, friend's list, or matchmaking system to DS, and really no official control to play with friends. There's not even any built-in communication. If you want to play with a friend, you'll both have to arrange a time and in-game place to pull it off. You both need to be close in Soul Level, one needs to be in Body form (to be the summoner) and the other in Soul form (to be the summonee). It CAN be done, but it's not meant to be.


Uh, no. If you die to something other than an invader while being invaded, you die as usual, and the invader goes back to his game with his body back (as if he had killed you). The only way an invader loses a soul level is if he dies to anything besides another player (such as falling down a bottomless pit).


Or you invade another player's game as a black phantom and kill them.

That's exactly what I said....

Edit: Wait, no, that's not what I said. I got turned around, that's what I've been meanign to say. I still throw myself off a cliff, though. Better to die than be killed I always say.

One of my friends who owns a Ps3 had me try Demon's Souls. He wanted to show off how hard it was. So, I created a character. I chose the knight class and completed the first level without dying once. I guess the difficulty comes from being careless and not paying attention. :shrug: Or maybe it just takes a incredible turn of super hard after the first level. It never did anything to really keep my interest after that.

That being said I'm intrigued by Dark Souls and will get to spend more time with it since it's coming to X-box 360.

All this talk of Dark Souls is really making me want to go back and actually finish Demon's Souls. I only made it to like level 34 or something and moved on to other games, perhaps I should go ahead and start a new game.

You got to the http://i2.cdnds.net/10/32/550w_gamingreview_demons_souls_1.jpg without dying? Or just the http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demons-souls_2009_01-30-09_01.jpg?

One of the pre made messages you can leave for people says " The true demon's souls starts here " I've always interpreted this as one of the main themes of the game: your character is trapped in some never ending cycle doomed to repeat the never ending task of collecting souls.

I have never been higher than around lvl 125-130. But there is a player hall of fame within the game that's pretty cool if you try your hand at such a task.

Level 120 has been the community's acknowledged soft level cap. Of course you can go higher, but the people you can match with becomes increasingly few.

As far as black phantoming and griefers, like any gaming community you will find all kinds. Some fight honorably, others will try to screw up your game. And though others have said black phantoms are not that threatening, i disagree. Yes, body form give you the advantage, but there are some dangerous black phantoms out there.

At soul level 100 and above there are plenty of players capable of black phantoming, killing your friendly blue phantoms and killing you before you can summon any more help. I've done this to people , people have done it to me. All part of the game.

People don't just out right kill you either. A black phantom can toy with you as you use up items that give you health and restore magic.There are weapons and spells which destroy armor/weapon condition which you then have to fix, and at times it is not cheap. A black phantom can guard the boss door or any other important checkpoint, kill you and then send you back to the start of the level.

One of the dirtier tricks is making the host attack a NPC in their world, and making that NPC hostile against the host until they start a NG. Doing this to important vendors can seriously mess up your game. Oh the rage when someone first did this to me. :biggrin: But as I said before, all part of the game.

Much of the RPing in demon's souls is wrapped within what you do with your character. Do you help people or screw up people's games? Do you fight with honor or use every nasty cheap trick in the book to win? The choice is yours and it really makes Demon's Souls a good game. :thumbsup:

Oh, you need to pay even more attention after 1-1. The first level is easy peasy for a reason - only after you acquire your first Demon's Soul you can level up. ^_^
But it really just is about paying attention and LEARNING the lessons the game provides. Nothing that should be hard, but it seems to be for many modern players.

(BTW, what is the first level we're talking about? Tutorial or up to speary-blobby Phalanx?)

Yes, the "Phalanx." After I defeated it I was a like "meh" The only thing I didn't do was kill some... Red knight? Something like that. It was optional and he told me it didn't matter so I just passed him by.
Now, if the game hadn't been hyped to me as "the hardest game ever" I probably would have been more impressed. Everything about the gameplay was pretty smooth. I'm sure if I would have spent more time with it I could have got into it.

Yeah, many people just have forgotten how to play a game. Can't say I'm surprised that someone who didn't would be kind of disappointed when playing the game and discover that it actually doesn't start hard at all.


The Red Knight, by the way, is close to unkillable when you first play the level. You'd need better weapons or magic for that one. Him guarding the entrance to a high-level boss is why.

Oh. Interesting. So, the game is kind of built with the idea of you doing a new game+ in mind?

It's a good thing I didn't go after him then. I wouldn't be able to say I finished the first level without dying if I had

Edit*typo

Oh that makes sense why each time I tried to kill him I failed miserably. Well won't go after him anymore! Also yeah Outlander, the next foes you face are harder by far. Those damn fire lizards...and having to be in a certain spot so your spear hits them...bah!

That too. You gather the titular objects from the big bosses, and can exchange many of them for unique weapons or one among several unique spells. So to gather everything, you'd need to use the New Game+.
For that boss though you wouldn't need to restart. Every world can be revisited, all you do when finishing a boss is unlocking more checkpoints.

Interesting. Well, I'll certainly give Dark Souls a fair chance. By that sounds of the rest of Demon's Souls, Dark Souls is going to be a pain to 1000 point.

I wouldn't even want to attempt doing all the achievements for demon's souls / dark souls. The devs really like the whole farming concept and some of that stuff was just plain torturous to attempt because it was all about manipulating enemy drop rate. If anyone has farmed for pure bladestone, you know exactly what I mean.

Impressive that you made it through the first level w/ out dying. I had my ass handed to me, but then again I knew very little about the title.

I was lucky. I got two pure bladestones while I wasn't even trying to farm for them!

But then, I've never had much use for them; never did make a pure dexterity build. I always had too much fun with my magic and faith builds.

It always when you're NOT trying to find it, you find. :facepalm: As much as it is annoying to farm, when I do get one of those rare drops I am so relieved and happy.

I avoided building dex just cause I didn't want to farm the blade stones.

With all the farming I can see why some people compare it to monster hunter. Kinda a weird comparison, IMO, but i see where they're coming from.

And remember that producer guy talking about something he called 'super crystal geckos' (or something like that)? EDIT: Upon rewatching the interview he just said that C geckos were one of the directors favorite enemies and a similar enemy would be included in Dark Souls

What if they just make it rare, dangerous, and hard to catch? I died so much chasing those things around.

I really hope they will make resources accessabile but insanely expensive. Like you can farm X rare resource, or try to get it from some vendor that charges an insane amount for it. I doubt it though. I foresee many hours of farming when Dark Souls hits.

Really? Well that's saddening, I really loathe the idea of farming in video games. That's why I stayed poor when I played WoW. Made it all the way to level 60+ (and up to 71 on a dk) without ever having over 300 gold at one time. But that's besides the point. I figured a game like Demon's Souls / Dark Souls would have actual achievements. And not collect a thousand pointless items.

New article about the difficulty

http://www.psu.com/Dark-Souls-content-given-the-chop-as-it-was-too-difficult--a010606-p0.php

Also there was another article I may I posted or read earlier that mentioned more eastern armor designs and weapons.

That does not fill me with anything except dread.

:sadvaultboy:

Stay positive. STAY POSITIVE! The 360 can't ruin this game TOO much.

How hard is Demon's Souls? I'm really considering picking it up. I've been gaming for over 20 years and have played every system since the NES so I've played my fair share of challenging games. What I don't want is to get the game and find its more cheap and frustrating than smart and challenging.

Like I said in your other thread, Demon's Souls is never cheap; it is smart and challenging, not unfair. Every single part of the game can be beaten by a single player without the help of others online. It may take some thinking, some formulating of strategies, being prepared with certain equipment and items, etc, but you can do it. I have.