No. No. No. No.

3D is a gimmick. It will die a slow, lingering death, just as it did every other time that people said it was really going to take off as the new entertainment medium. Any company wasting their time on 3D development is instantly suspicious to me.

Jblood learn to use the edit button please, you dont need to make 4 posts in a row. But anyway there are some bugs but not surprised and i think skyrim is a massive leap forward from oblivion. When i play that i can tell its 6 years old. But this game is another experience.

And 3d is getting more advanced as in glasse's less tv's so i dont think is dying quite yet

Will people stop being morons and learn that one of main reasons why do forums exist IS to give criticism!?
Stop acting like some smart-asses since you're not good at it (you're missing the 'smart' part).

3D!

OT:
While I do agree with some points you've made (bugs and having no consequences), lot of other points are just... silly.
Being pissed about TG being a bunch of thieves is like complaining about water being wet.
I always support good criticism, but this is just, again, silly.

Hi there Krepaj! Hope you're having a great day.

While I wouldn't be as colloquial as yourself, I will happily agree to most of what you wrote. This forum is for people to express their views and it seems odd for some to exert their right to do so through bashing others for having done the same. If I state I don't like apples, by all means, no ammount of persuasion is ever going to change my mind. If, however, I state the apple svcks because it's not striped like a zebra then there's some room for discussion.

Did anyone else read the OP's various posts and find the words "potential serial killer" popping into their head? Purely in a jesting manner, of course... sort of... Just, y'know, wondering if I'm the only one.

I think Skyrim needs improvements, but none of what the OP listed are real gripes of mine.

I still find this "no consequence" thing really funny.

You say that you kill somebody pay the fine and then evreything is just as it was before. Yeah, that reminds me of another game. it's called EVERY OTHER TES GAME EVER.
No, fame/infamy disposition doesn't matter AT ALL.
Even in Morrowind, you kil somebody, pay the fine and then everything is alright. Oh there might be some people who doesn't like you anymore, because that's a big consequence the NPCs being grumpy at us, and even that's not a real consequence. You go to grumpy NPC who's family you just killed, talk a bit to them, give him some money, and suddenly he's your best friend forever.
CONSEQUENCES!!!

So please, stop saying how Skyrim is plain and how your actions have no effects in comparison, because if that's true, that is just as true for the rest of the series.

I am in support of criticism, but OP your "main gripe" is when dead people's eyes close? Not much of a gripe man, more ridiculous than anything else.

Hi! Someone suggested my character could be a serial killer. Well,my character is a member of
the Dark brotherhood. Murdering for the Nightmother and the glory of Sithis.

Oh, so you liked the repeated planes and the leveling system in OB so much you want those back?

I don't see any validity in your OP. Staff of Worms? Well, I miss a particular sword from OB which was intro'd in MW but I'm not gonna whine about it. Instead I'll play the resources, much of which is new, here in SK.

I remember people complaining about the lack of realism in OB because there were 'no bathrooms'. I read your OP at the same level as that.

And Beth listened ... lots of little stalls with a bucket scattered throughout Skyrim.

Anyone dissapointed with Lockpicking? I wish lockpicks weighed something, or you could only carry a few amount at a time, it would make it more viable, I have to carry only 15 at a time to keep my role-playing stay a live.

Or better yet, use the idea of Fallout with opening lock specific difficulty, sure the houses would be hard to get into with a lower level (pickpocket key etc) but it would mean more use for lockpicking.

Lockpicking is a very shallow mechanic. At least the skill tree and perks are.

lol, this ins awesome!

No, blood, he was suggesting that you might be a potential serial killer.

And to Krepaj, I don't think most people are really that dead against criticism of any kind, I think it's more that his criticisms were incredibly trivial (that's a running theme with Skyrim - don't mention any improvements it made over its ancestors or anything it did well, just mention everything that annoyed you and act as if that negates all the good points). I could be wrong, because some of the responses were in the 'love it or leave it' vein, which isn't the right outlook, but I think if the OP had taken a different approach he'd have received a far warmer response.

The hallmarks of irritating Skyrim criticisms are

• Not acknowledging anything the game did well or anything you did like - which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for....
  
• Saying that the game's "a mess" "broken" "unplayable" rather than flawed, disappointing, lacking etc.
  
• Speaking as though Bethesda is stupid for not making the changes that would have suited you even though it's plain that you're in the minority
  
• Saying that it's not as good as previous TES games and then giving examples of things that were exactly the same in previous TES games

It wears a brother out, so I can see why people can be inclined to say "oh just stop playing and go away". That last point is probably the one that annoys me the most actually - hearing people say "Skyrim isn't even a proper TES game, the dialogue options are bad and there's little to no consequences to your actions" without a hint of irony....well let's just say there isn't a palm big enough. Or a face big enough. I'm not sure why I thought that joke would work.

For you final point, my take on it is this:

This is the fifth Elder Scrolls game and the second for 360/PS3. Things that have been a hassle in the past should be evolving. Choice and consequences haven't evolved at all. Some things have evolved, some things jumped back to the Stone Age.

Yeah, the way some carry on, you'd think Bethesda had turned down their job application or something.

Oh I'm totally with you, I'd love to see TES take on more of Fallout's (the original two games) choice/consequence heavy characteristics, and it's fine to say that things shouldn't be the same as they were in earlier installments. When I find it irritating is when people say that Skyrim is worse than the older games and then back that up with examples of things that the older games did the exact same way. If they're saying "it was excusable back then, but they should have improved it by now" then that's absolutely fine, but often it's things like:

I played Morrowind for hundreds of hours and loved it, but Skyrim is just 'talk to this guy, raid this dungeon, steal that item'

I honestly think that some people have just played so many games with the TES or New Fallout basic format that they're now tired of them and have realised how repetitive they are once the interest runs out; then they go on as if the old games got it right and the latest one dropped the ball. The fact that Morrowind came out nine years ago doesn't help either, some people forget many details (such as how much the game expected you to fast travel by silt strider or mage guide, or the fact that most characters were carbon copies and that the ones who weren't rarely had much to say, oh and how there are hardly any player dialogue choices).

It's the whole 'back in the day' syndrome, people remember the good and forget the bad.

Hmm... As great as your character looks, it's modded. However, making a good looking character in Skyrim is certainly possible.
Well, not everyone is a soldier or farmer. Some are nobles and wealthy milk-drinkers.

Also, I didn't have any memorable problems with Oblivion. I've had more issues with Skyrim, but they're negligible.

I have enjoyed and played almost all these TES games. Had fun and felt a lot of frustration.yet i am buying the latest game the day it comes out .
That said, I want to get back to my point.I may not have been clear enough in my complaint. Since Daggerfall I have always played a female
assassin, sending the souls of hundreds to the void. I was content with that. That's psychotic, you may say, but it's part of the game..
Then Oblivion came along. I'm back with my lovely assassin sending souls to Sithis,but wait...When I take they're lives,they staring back at the void.
Now remember, this is a game.. Yet that is a great addition to the whole assassination thing. spilling blood for The Night Mother has never been
so rewarding....
Now Skyrim comes out. You know where it's going from here. Eyes closed. Moralizing. In a gameworld with no morality...

They have some points however. I've only played Oblivion and Skyrim, but with things like the Thieves' and Mage Guild quest lines, Oblivion had much "more to do" than Skyrim does, hands down. So, at least for me, the repetitiveness of "back then" was at least done better because you actually had some weight to it.

I honestly hope you are trolling here.

I have a 27inch 120hz monitor with Nvidia 3D glasses and play games and they are awesome in 3D. When you can feel you can almost put your hand into the screen and around the character to touch the wall behind him, it really gives a new feel to the old 2D games. If you have not seen it yet, I would suggest you try. Even I was highly skeptical about it at first but it really does make Skyrims graphics look like an old 2D platform game like Super Mario. I had a mousemat with a 3D picture of a tiger on it, almost like a hologram and it looked like you could actually put your hand right in it's mouth. When someone told me that the 120hz monitor and glasses made games look like that, I just aid, "yeah, yeah." I didn't believe a word of it until I saw my friends 3D screen and immediately went out and bought one myself, best purchase I ever made.


Same goes for you. Don't knock it till you've tried it. Trust me, you'll wonder why you ever thought the graphics in most FPS games were good.

I haven't played through Oblivion yet, but I was never making comparisons between any of the games myself. I was just saying that if people are going to compare them, they should make sure the things they're complaining about weren't like that in the other games. I certainly don't want to turn this into another Skyrim vs Oblivion or Morrowind thread!

Unfortunately that's how threads like these go, or at least what they are usually based on, because people will compare the newest game in the series to prior games. It's just natural and can't be helped.

It was not worth $60.
The game is becoming almost totally unplayable with the excessive bugs, bitterly disappointing
If I were still in the UK I would lodge a complaint with the consumer protection authorities.

End result is that I will never buy another game for $60. or buy another game from Bethesda unless they fix these problems after taking my hard earned money.
I will most likely never buy another console after this and PC's are no better as they are out of date before the packaging print is dry.

I can think of better ways to spend $60. were I can have something to show for my time and learn, or improve, a real life skill.