Skyrim is like vanilla ice cream. it is just ONE flavor. at least they should have put some raspberry sauce on top. this just svcks.

The characters are beautiful, its the animation that's third-rate stuff.

To Marshmallow, you nailed it. after a short time this game becomes vanilla...

aww, not really, some of the animations were really well, better than any other elder scrolls yet.

Facts why Skyrim is disappointing

1. As soon as you start diggin into it, everybody starts shouting at you annoyingly "dude, get a REAL life!"
2. Most friends on Steam skipped Skyrim with 25 to 80 hours. Well what is wrong with them...? I have 300 hours of testing and didn't complete more than 25% of the game yet....
3. Females have no nice legs in Skyrim....
4. the Meta-AI svckz....
5. and how about collision boxes for local damage...?? Isnt it stupid to hammer on a giants toe for about 10 minutes until he is finished? Reminds me of a Sony game with a shadow on a colossus...

Ok, is this going to become the general thread for people who have silly problems with the game?

Because if that's where it's going, let's get the title changed.

Do you play any other games besides TES? Granted, Skyrim has better animation than any other TES game to date, but compared to pretty much any other game on the market it still svcks.

And this is a problem with... Skyrim???

Again, is this a problem with Skyrim?

Sure they do. They just stand around too awkwardly for anyone to notice 'em.

This is probably the only point in your list which I really agree with.

This never bothered me honestly, but I'll admit that Skyrim probably wouldn't have been hurt by its inclusion.

I agree with most of your points.

The trying to force the thieves guild on the nicest of characters is f**king stupid.
The quest itself, does'nt even make any sense or have any logic at all, in any way at all.
I did it once for the trophies.
Never doing it again. If I could I would massace them all.

They made me realise that Caesers Legion in Fallout New Vegas, are actually well written, despite their hideousness and stupidity.
The actions themselves, in the quests, make sense and are logical.
The faction itself, I realised, is more believable than the TG.


And there are are no proper consequences.
You kill someone you pay your fine off.
Fair enough, very useful.
But what about after, you'd think you would have a reputation in places, people would know you did stuff.
If you massacred a load of people, then raised your reputation again, by paying off the bounty or deeds, you'd think the people would go, oh look, they killed all the people in the marketplace, they're a scary person, or something.

You make too little impact on the world.
You can't properly roleplay.
You can make you character good, kills all evil, nice all the time, bad, massacre happy, good but likes killing large groups of people for the challenge.
You can roleplay all you can.
But your good person can't destroy all evil properly, because you can't destroy factions apart from the Dark Brotherhood. Your bad person can't go on epic massacres, annialate whole towns, just for fun. Your good but likes killing large groups for the challenge person can't change thier mind midway or if a quest goes wrong, and kill everyone in sight.
Because theres damn 'essential' tags everywere, it places no one wants them!

And I did notice about them closing their eyes on death. Which happens most of the time when people die. But sometimes they don't and I would think you would mix it up a bit, if you could.

I disagree with you,I am pretty happy with skyrim and looking forward to see what bethesda are going to do with it.

I agree OP, every game in the Elder Scrolls series is terrible.

I'm still laughing. Thanks, OP. Brilliant.

I think only 1/3 platforms has a streamlined patching system.

2/3 platforms are just stuck with the `streamlined` rpg

I had almost no problems with OB, except the well publicized vampire bug - thanks for fixing that beth.

Skyrim is a total joke in terms of bugs. It makes no sense to let someone off the hook by saying, oh they just routinely make buggy crap that the community has to fix.

If they make buggy crap repeatedly why defend that?

I think if Skyrim had a karma system + faction politics that kind of hybridized the good parts of FONV and MW, respectively, the game would be light years better.

So what is especially frustrating is that MW and FONV exist, were published by the same company but the 'latest and greatest' is completely lacking these things. I'm still looking for the subtlety and intricacy of previous some of the previous ES/FO quests.

Again, I haven't experienced a game-breaking (or even a significant) bug in hundreds of hours of gameplay. I believe the majority of players are in the same boat, since we aren't hearing from over 5 million people about their game being broken.

As for your other arguments, I enjoy both Skyrim and Morrowind, as do many others. In fact, the only place I ever see people whining about how the series has been in decline for the last decade is on this forum.

Skyrim has problems but none of them are the stuff that the OP has listed.

I love the OP. Has been disappointed with Bethesda games since Daggerfall (1996) but he is still buying their games in 2012 and complaining about them. That is awesome.

Then why do you play them???

i agree with the OP that skyrim has several bugs which are really annoying, but that does not mean it will break the game. The most important thing is to enjoy skyrim. I dont rush quests anymore and i just explore bits by bits everyday. Also, since i feel the vanilla music is boring, there is a mod that enables u to add your own music into skyrim, so the game is much much better now. But the only thing i am disappointed(which the OP didnt say) is the lack of personality in majority of the characters. I realised this after playing the full chaos rings series and one Final fantasy game and discovered how much personality skyrim lacks when compared to these games. D
Dont get me wrong, i still like Skyrim, but if the company introduces character personalities(And no more 'Who are you' after you defeat alduin), then Skyrim truly deserves game of the decade.

@ alehm, that was my first reaction. The OP is a game developers dream, doesn't matter what they release they're getting a guaranteed sale.

I've been playing RPGs since the late 1970's, started with Traveller - books, dice, a couple of mates and a vivid imagination was all we had. RPG players today are spoilt, as demonstrated by this thread. If you're thinking we didn't have problems back then, no lag/FPS issues etc. then think again. My mates mum used to make us stop for something to eat! When I killed someone back then I had to imagine whether their eyes were open or closed...

it pisses you off that dead peoples eyes are closed...erm ..why?what do you want them to be doing.ive seen a few dead people throughout my life,nothing sinister just old dead people,anyway there eyes were closed man,thats what happens when you die.but the rest of what you say i agree.dont know why these guys are incapable of making games without being riddled with bugs.onmine its mostly crashing and it makes me want to hunt down a bethesda employee and choke the [censored]ing life outta them.ive had to re-do so many hours of bthis game coz of this,dammit bethesda what is your problem?

meh... give me a kill cam toggle and I can forgive all of skyrims flaws.

I have played games that disappointed me however, Skyrim isn't in this group.

I've had the same "issues" with the game that others have mentioned in the way of comments that aren't appropriate based on my then status in the game or that I didn't need to hear every time I passed the NPC.

But, I have not been as upset about these as some seem to be and I have noticed times where I am acknowledged for my efforts, e.g., guard thanks me for helping out with the East Empire Company situation or where my actions have had "consequences, e.g., group of thugs tries to teach me a lesson for one thing ... e.g., "borrowing" property without asking first... or another.

I try to enjoy games for what they bring to the table and for what they are and generally my "disappointment" has been with games that I didn't feel were worth the money I paid ... and Skyrim has definitely given me my money's worth.

...or listened to Dylan.

I'm only disappointed in their choice of scripting language :/.

it's been a blast reading responses to this. i think Zhxra...??/.. has some good points.The game deserves to be criticized just for the mess it is. Most of the time I'm having fun playing Skyrim,but i will stick to my guns
and say that if you compare it to Oblivion, it's a step backwards.

I don't have any problem with the game being criticized (even if I don't always agree with the criticisms). I have a problem with the game being criticized in vague, rambling posts that point to issues like "corpses close their eyes" as significant problems.

I have a problem with OPs bumping their own threads with remarks that add nothing new to the discussion.

But, that's just me and obviously "jblood" doesn't hold the same opinion.