I'd say they've really screwed the pooch if they wanted to keep Tamriel in the Stone Age.

As I said before, I don't think the idea he's posted would work at all because the Nords don't strike me as the type of people to develop weapons that don't emphasize physical strength.

No.
No No No No.

No.

A primitive hand cannon wouldn't require physical strength?

http://www.uh.edu/engines/1400handcannon.jpg

I agree, stupid nords.

But they still haven't explained what happend to the dwarves and i just think it a interesting idea.

Sure it requires strength to operate, but the destructive force is mechanical, not based on the strength of the wielder. Axes, bows, maces, and swords all depend on the physical strength of the person wielding them. As long as you can get the artillery moved and aimed in the appropriate place, they physical prowess of the person operating it doesn't really come into play as much.

I just don't think Nords would be the people to create this kind of technology. And to quote you:

But when have the Nords ever been innovators anyways? xD

I still maintain that this mod was implemented in a way that was completely tasteful to TES universe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqoCBWRErag&feature=related

But I'm with you, it'd be a strange new world with fired projectile weapons.

EDIT: Minus those tasteless "Dwemer Busters."

It would open up a playstyle that doesn't require investing into another skill tree. It would make sense lore-wise for Redguards. Etcetera.

Create Firearms???, are you feeling alright???

So you mean it would let you play the game without having to bother putting too much effort into up-skilling and so forth?
You could always just play Modern Warfare with a mod to make it look like Skyrim, if that's all you want.

I don't think it would be lore-friendly at all, the Dwemer had technology and they are strange and other-wordly, and that's how it should stay.

No guns no thanks.

Medieval should stay Medieval in TES series of games!

Naah. No fire arms. They need to invent mounted combat and heavy infantry formations first.

I hate modern warfare, for a start. I hate it with a burning fire. But let's not make this a petty argument that essentially boils down to 'I'm a morrowind vet, go play mw3 new player.'

No, it doesn't mean I dislike planning my skills. It means I do not have to invest perks or whatever that are urgently needed elsewhere in the Destruction tree. Firearms would be a balanced alternative to a rogue character archetype as opposed to an assassin, which would invest in Sneak and Alchemy - both of which would be useless with firearms. You can't poison a bullet, and a gun makes a godawful noise that means sacrificing stealth bonus. Neither does it mean firearms should be an integral part of the system, with a new skill tree. It should be an option. Are RPG players opposed to options? News to me.

Plus, as mentioned before, firearms are in lore. That means they don't break lore, and give roleplay options to a magick-hating Redguard. Do you hate roleplaying? No...? Plus, if you don't like guns, don't use them. BOOM! Wow. Never thought of that, did ya?

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EFA
Actually I did think of that, but thank you for asking.

It's not a question of whether I would use them or not, it's a question of whether I think they should be in the game as opposed whether YOU think they should be in the game.
I don't - I don't they belong in the TES universe. If they existed in the game absolutely I would not use them - in part because if they were correctly implemented they would be wildly inaccurate and more of a danger to me than to whoever I was firing at.
As for your perks expenditure - you 'll just have be a little more circumspect with regards to your application of perk points, won't you? Because ultimately it still boils down to: "If I had a gun I could shoot stuff so I wouldn't really have to bother quite as much with implementing perks."

Also:
- really? In a fantasy RPG where you can shoot fire from your hands...?
Additionally more people who were shot in the early days of guns died from infection brought about by being shot than by actually being shot - so to correctly apply it to the game you would need to allow for disease, incapacitation.
But nevertheless, I still don't think they belong.

BOOM! Back Atcha Bro!

Ok, first off do you have anything against Morrowind vets?

Second, again: why? sure variation is good, but you have some classic old alternatives like crossbows, throwing weapons etc. taht could be used, and are already invented and part of lore. Now I don't know what you like to think of as the classic rogue character, but the rogue class in both Morrowind and Oblivion doesn't use the marksman skill, why would they start using guns?

And cannons are in lore, I don't remember any other sort of gun. And you have your opinion and I have mine. But as I said why, there are so many other options, why would a redguard suddenly decide: "I'm gonna make a small cannon with a trigger on and use it as a weapon"? And don't like it don't use it is an argument you can use on just about anything.

Guns No no no no NO.

You're impossible.

Guns do not translate to a shallow game. It does not mean that ranged encounters will usurp the balance of power. What it gives is diverse combat options to the kiting rogue playstyle, which is highly underrated. It is not 'If I had a gun I could shoot stuff so I wouldn't really have to bother quite as much with implementing perks.' It is 'If I had a gun I could open myself up to an alternative combat playstyle.' Why not have Spears back as well? And crossbows? Why not have a merged 'Ranged' tree that involves all different combat techniques. Bows - low power, high rate of fire, good for a poison-heavy alchemist. Crossbow - high power, loooong reload, accurate, able to be poisoned. Spears - Multi-purpose, mid range, mid power, able to be used better in close combat (e.g LMB = throw, RMB = block, RMB + LMB (bash) = spear thrust). And handcannons - short range, high innaccuracy, long reload, high power, unable to be poisoned, knockback, no stealth bonus, etc. But the benefit is extremely high damage and better running speed.

Why would a gun give you better running speed than a crossbow? There have been disigned small light crossbows in the past. Besides the gun should also have a chanse of blowing up in your face as that is something old guns tend to do. And people dislike the idea of guns, because it will lead to more advanced technology. Because guns svck people will make better guns and in the end you'll end up with Nirn being quite modern.

This this this this this this this this.

If they make guns that even remotely simulate the accuracy and load time of the first firearms, no one will want to use them. If they don't, then they're going to have to make them more modern, which in turn is going to look silly in the game world, unless they change the entire aesthetic of the series. The only other option would be to go steampunk, and I don't think they'll let that happen (I really, really hope they won't).

this thread needs to die man

shoot yourself for mentioning guns in TES

i will never play again if this ever happens...if i want guns in TES i would play fallout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uVYK2GWK4

Like that, minus the whirlwind!

The Tanegashima is so impractical I just had to do a full MGS4 run with it, once... And man... Was that great.

Guns just feel so unmythic to me. If TES moved up into the Renaissance, it would have such a different feel that its mythic elements would seem out of place.

Eh, did you guys even notice what I posted earlier?
I repeat it here.

Also, I'd like to say that I don't want to see any firearms in TES. That would ruin my absolute favorite game staple.