Pretty much

There`s a general malaise in games and movies at the moment-An attitude that sequels are good,anything new is too much of a risk.TES is no exception.It`s the best game franchise out there but wouldn`t it be nice if they made it even better?Gameplay is everything and nicer sound,graphics and a perk tree isn`t exactly pushing the boat out that much.

Patent nonsense. Many of use oldschool TES fans (Arena and Daggerfall fans) think Skyrim is pretty awesome.


There's a malaise in movie ticket sales, but that's because huge TVs and Blu-Ray are better than most theatres, and far cheaper by the hour. Moves have always been mostly derivative crap and sequels. Look at all the Mummy and Tarzan crap they made in the 30s and 40s. Look at the cold-war-allegory alien invasions of the 50s, cyborg killers of the 80s/90s, etc. Games are the same way. Sure, Pac-Man ruled in 1982: the 1000 clones -- not so much.

Skyrim certainly removes lots of the classic RPG elements many of us love, but it still counts as a good TES game; it's just a TES game that focuses more on world-building than statistics and consequences. Its biggest flaw is the lack of interesting consequences for player actions.

These are just your opinions dude (maybe besides the patches you mentioned).

How can you call it a good TES game then? It wasn't like they completely neglected world building with Oblivion, and they certainly didn't with Morrowind. They removed classic RPG elements in order to make the game actually look like it was released in 2011 and perform better. Sorry, "perform better"; there are still plenty of stability issues going on.

It's barely an improvement from Oblivion. Barely, and that's mostly if you're looking at the world and graphics. You'd think that games would get better over the years, but with Bethesda it's the exact opposite. They just seem to get progressively worse.

Tell me this: if they had never released Morrowind until 11/11/11, with similar graphics and whatnot to Skyrim, which game do you think would have been better? Casual gamers and action-adventure lovers vote Skyrim. RPG lovers? Morrowind.

.. and what's the genre that the TES franchise belongs to? Yeah, RPGs.

If I had a septim for every meaningless buzzword people say on these forums in defense of Skyrim I could rebuild Winterhold. What the hell is "world-building"?

Really, this is a Bethesda game. An expertly crafted world has become their trademark, like Bioware does good dialogue.

They don't need to focus any more on building a realistic world, they already do that better than anyone else out there. What I want to see them focus on next time around is making the actual GAME worth talking about. As in, making my actions feel engaging and have meaningful effects on that world they are so good at building. Right now, the most that ever changes in the world is up to half the guards get a change of clothes.

We know you can create a wonderful world, Bethesda, but I personally want to be able to do things TO it, not just IN it. And I want to have a say in what I do, as well. I play an RPG because I intend to make my own choices, not have the game choose for me. If I want to have my path pre-determined, I'll play a shooter.

How can you say it's a great game and then list ten things that are crippling it.

This game will never achieve greatness. It's too sloppy. It looks great, but feels cheap.

It's a three, dressed up as a nine.

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Greed




It's called a “product”. If you don't understand that, then you're not being realistic. Here's a suggestion, maybe you can hire engineers to make “your” perfect game. In the mean time, a mass appeal game has been produced, in which some old timers get a “wee” bit of enjoyment from. I love this game. Is it perfect? No, but I've yet to find the perfect game.


Can be played hardcoe, or easy-cheesy; take your pick. What more could you ask for? (ya, ya, I know, a lot more could be “asked”) Use your imagination dude.


There is never, ever, no not ever – never going to be a game that lives up to your original TES experience. Enjoy your memories and move on. Unless you have the bucks to finance your own personal opinion of the perfect game.


Me? I'm loving this game. No, I mean, really loving it. Taking my time and savoring every little crevice and wild flower. Can already see the possibilities for playing several different play styles, with several different choices.

I'm not looking for a perfect game. I'm wondering why Bethesda decided Morrowind simply wasn't good enough and went in the exact opposite direction with their newer games. There were a lot of people who loved Morrowind, just as there were a lot of people who loved Daggerfall, and there's absolutely no excuse for Skyrim to be so completely different. There's no excuse for lack of an actual game. There's no excuse for their laziness. None, whatsoever.

You can find and produce one-handed swords, maces, and axes, but you can only bind a one-handed sword. LAZINESS. You can find and produce two-handed swords, maces, and axes, but you can only bind a two-handed axe. LAZINESS. These features were available in previous games, and their omission from Skyrim cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form, just as with many other features. It's complete and total [censored]. Like this post from another thread:

They know what we want, and they taunt us with their stupid trailers and forums aimed at getting our opinions.. but they ignore us completely and simply make games that get them more money. It's inexcusable.

They ignore their lore. Vampires are supposed to burn in sunlight, feel pain in places of worship, become weaker because of blood-lust, and turn to ash upon death. Does any of that actually happen in Skyrim? No. Did it all happen in Oblivion? No. Morrowind? No. Oh, and lets not forget about the vampires of Skyrim being able to freeze their victims with their breath or reach up through frozen lakes without breaking the ice.

But the followers are WORSE than previous games they've made, the Fallouts. I can't tell my follower to change to different tactics, this being a later game, should be more than close quarters or ranged. But its actually a step backwards. Followers are on autopilot to kill themselves, mostly by jumping in front of my swinging greatsword.

Either that, or they are dogs that try to push you off cliffs.

Only Barbas does that; the other dogs don't.

No, they are pretty objective.
Anybody who has some knowledge about RPGs would agree.

Sadly I have to agree with you, these were also pretty much the same complaints from FO:3 as well. I'm enjoying Skyrim but there really isn'y anything new, its OB with a shiny paint job and all the same old weaknesses. I honestly was expecting more in a lot of areas and mod'ers will fill in some of the gaps for me, but I don't think I'll be looking forward to FO:4 or the next TES very much unless we see them start making some changes. Skyrim was very unambitious in growing the game beyond what we've seen previously.

Greed:

“You can find and produce one-handed swords, maces, and axes, but you can only bind a one-handed sword. LAZINESS. You can find and produce two-handed swords, maces, and axes, but you can only bind a two-handed axe. LAZINESS. These features were available in previous games, and their omission from Skyrim cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form, just as with many other features. It's complete and total [censored]. “

Nit-picking. Pure and simple.


Binding a two-handed axe will change the game ever so much! Come on, I want to bind the lucky dagger.


How about this – maybe they should've postponed putting this game out for another year or so, that way they could writ in every stinking possibility that you or I would’ve imagined

Their excuse is they already made Daggerfall and Morrowind. They want to make something different. If others want to make a Daggerfall or a Morrowind, let them do it. If you want to play Daggerfall or Morrowind, then go play them. If you don't want to play them, then ask yourself why, and maybe you will get an idea of why Bethesda does what it does.

I'd just like to point out that they've never made a game where all those things happen - even Daggefall lacked the blood-lust (and maybe the ash too). The vampires of Cyrodiil behave exactly as the lore says they do - admittedly because until Oblivion there was no lore on Cyrodiilic Vampires.

And the ice thing would be an incredibly difficult game mechanic to implement for the player - plus 90% of all lore is subjective anyway, so for all you know it's a myth in game as well.

So my major complaint, given my slightly more hard core origin, is that I'm getting where I get far too easily and without much work (I'm still using what the game have to offer, there are certain things I refuse to "nerf down in order to prolong the experience"). As an exploring adventurer, by the time I reach level 30-50 in the game, I have hardly done anything in the game to get there. I realize this isn't a niche game anymore (like Daggerfall was), but more targeted on the "common gamer", but why this big neglect of us?

To the OP: of course they do. Look what they have done with Skyrim. Depending who you're, you can do the math from there.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!

Skyrim is an RPG, NOT an action-adventure game!

It's about playing the game how you think it should be played, which is what Bethesda themselves have stated time and time again. Why on Earth do you think it's perfectly okay for them to remove options and choices from a game that's supposed to allow us to play however we'd like?! This is NOT Dante's Inferno. This is NOT Uncharted. This is NOT Halo. This is an (TES, more importantly) RPG, and RPG's are supposed to have options. They are supposed to have choices. They are supposed to have variety. The very fact that they decided they didn't want to implement anything we've suggested, anything that worked amazingly well in past games, all for the sake of making the game streamlined proves that they weren't ever intending on making a real RPG. They were just throwing [censored] together in a way that appealed to the most people for the least amount of work. Todd Howard even stated he had imagined what an Apple game would be like -- Apple is all about streamlining. They're all about cutting down variety and offering things only they think we need. That's their [censored] motto. Why the hell would you want to make an RPG modeled after that? It completely defeats the purpose of an RPG.

That is the problem! Why do they even bother with lore if they're going to constantly cut corners and give us games with an absolutely ridiculous amount of shortcomings? Hell, the vampires in Skyrim are just copy-pasted versions of the Cyrodiilic vampires.

I don't want them to ever recreate Morrowind or Daggerfall. I just want them to create games that are like Morrowind and Daggerfall. I want them to create games that are actually more RPG and less action-adventure. I want their target audience to be TES fans.

So I guess them addressing the problem of all the dungeons being the same means nothing to you.
Yup, typical Bethesda fans...

That's one thing. Show me all the complaints that were made about spell making. Complaints that were made about the journal from Morrowind. Suggestions that we ABSOLUTELY need less information regarding quests and more hand-holding. They are simplifying the franchise, and have been ever since Oblivion (even in Morrowind, but to a lesser extent).

+1

My main problem with Beth is that they're going Backwards, sure they're selling well but why stop caring about the quality of the game and just settle for most new players being completely fooled by just the size and physics of the world.

- World is better
- Facegen is better
- Dungeons are Better
- Level Scaling is better
- Voices are... well the variety is more but the terrible writing bought it down

They made quite a few things better but they keep missing the most IMPORTANT thing, the Questlines! the story! Plot! Remember Plot? And interesting Dialogue?
I just don't understand why every step foward Beth take, they take 2 steps back elsewhere for absolutely no reason.

The reason why we don't care so much about the world is because Beth can't go wrong with designing worlds, a good world by Beth is nothing special, it's like a kid who always gets A+ in art, eventually it's not a big deal.

"Good for you, your 20th A+ for art, now do something about those F's in English"