Empire or Stormcloak : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:57 pm

But again, in the end, it's just a Nord battle cry.

Yeah, I know I just find it strange.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:01 pm

But again, in the end, it's just a Nord battle cry.

I think it was a developer's oversight to have EVERY SINGLE NORD shout that when hitting something.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:58 am

To me the Stormcloaks are racists at worst and xenophobes at best. Not all of the Stormcloaks are elf-hating racists but those different shades of Stormcloaks have one thing in common: They don't like foreigners (or at least elves).

Most nords aren't extremely racist like you say (a few bad apples spoil the bunch), but they've always been a bit hostile to other races at first that's just the way the are, and if other races prove themselves nords will respect them a lot. Besides i don't see how this is relevant to the debate at all, nords (both imperial and stormcloak) often don't treat foreigners well, it doesn't matter who rules skyrim nords will always be nords.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:29 am

Most nords aren't extremely racist like you say (a few bad apples spoil the bunch), but they've always been a bit hostile to other races at first that's just the way the are, and if other races prove themselves nords will respect them a lot. Besides i don't see how this is relevant to the debate at all, nords (both imperial and stormcloak) often don't treat foreigners well, it doesn't matter who rules skyrim nords will always be nords.

Fact is there are no non-nord stormcloaks while there are non-nord or non-imperial legionaries. So while both are racist I think Imperial is less racist.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:44 pm

Most nords aren't extremely racist like you say (a few bad apples spoil the bunch), but they've always been a bit hostile to other races at first that's just the way the are, and if other races prove themselves nords will respect them a lot. Besides i don't see how this is relevant to the debate at all, nords (both imperial and stormcloak) often don't treat foreigners well, it doesn't matter who rules skyrim nords will always be nords.

Because people like to paint the Stormcloaks, with a broad brush, as racists. My point is that not all of them are racists, some are xenophobes and some are neither and legitimately believe that Skyrim belongs to the Nords because their ancestors paid for the land with their blood and there is nothing wrong with that.

I just don't support the Stormcloaks for pratical reasons.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:43 am

Fact is there are no non-nord stormcloaks while there are non-nord or non-imperial legionaries. So while both are racist I think Imperial is less racist.

A little yes, but still most imperial cities in skyrim still don't let in kahjiit or argonians, all im saying is that no matter who is in charge the nords of skyrim will still be a tad bit racist.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:00 am

All things considered, I feel Empire is best in the long run. It results in a united Empire, something that I believe is not only capable of opposing the Thalmor, but is held together by something more than merely a common enemy, something that if the Thalmor threat ever ends, will result in more peace and less bitterness than two or three independent nations that only worked together because they shared a foe.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:03 pm

Empire. Unification is key. The Thalmor are a threat, and the treaty was just a pause so both sides can regain their strength. Apparently the Nords are to headstrong to see that The Empire will fight back and that without the treaty all of Tamerial would have fallen.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:15 am

Empire because they are the only true hope for Tamriel.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:47 pm

A little yes, but still most imperial cities in skyrim still don't let in kahjiit or argonians, all im saying is that no matter who is in charge the nords of skyrim will still be a tad bit racist.

Yeah the empire is a little less racist but in the long run I think that it is the nord that are xenophobic.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:43 am

Empire, because Nationalism is for losers.

-this-

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:33 am

Because people like to paint the Stormcloaks, with a broad brush, as racists. My point is that not all of them are racists, some are xenophobes and some are neither and legitimately believe that Skyrim belongs to the Nords because their ancestors paid for the land with their blood and there is nothing wrong with that.

I just don't support the Stormcloaks for pratical reasons.

So since the Nords pillaged and butchered the natives of Skyrim, it's all good?

I support the Empire. Stormcloaks can't beat back the Thalmor and their greediness will mean the death of Tamriel. Besides, if you want to see what independence does to a nation, look at Yugoslavia.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:22 pm

Imperialism is for losers.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 am

Imperialism is for losers.

Its better then a government that can't accept change and is ruled by a complete moron who uses his bigot, mindless troops to enforce his rule in the cities his men populate so the local leaders can't go against his word.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:31 pm

Its better then a government that can't accept change and is ruled by a complete moron who uses his bigot, mindless troops to enforce his rule in the cities his men populate.

Do you not see the irony in your post? The empire doesn't want to change. They want to rule over people they have no right to rule over. People they don't respect. Your empire is ruled by a moron who can't beat a single province on his own. Something Hammerfell did solo. Your empire is weak and needs to die while it still has any honor left.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:42 am

Its better then a government that can't accept change and is ruled by a complete moron who uses his bigot, mindless troops to enforce his rule in the cities his men populate so the local leaders can't go against his word.

That's what imperialism is. :ohmy:

Do you not see the irony in your post? The empire doesn't want to change. They want to rule over people they have no right to rule over. People they don't respect. Your empire is ruled by a moron who can't beat a single province on his own. Something Hammerfell did solo. Your empire is weak and needs to die while it still has any honor left.

Says the Stormcloak right? The ones that want to rule over all of Skyrim? Do they have a right to rule over the dunmer?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:46 am

Its better then a government that can't accept change and is ruled by a complete moron who uses his bigot, mindless troops to enforce his rule in the cities his men populate so the local leaders can't go against his word.

exactly, and under stormcloak rule, the elves would be driven into the slums and be massive victims of hate crimes, the argonians would be kicked out, the khajitt would be deported , what a great place that would be. And the orcs would be driven out as well ,if not murdered.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:08 pm

So since the Nords pillaged and butchered the natives of Skyrim, it's all good?

I support the Empire. Stormcloaks can't beat back the Thalmor and their greediness will mean the death of Tamriel. Besides, if you want to see what independence does to a nation, look at Yugoslavia.

Its called conquest and war. It has happened again and again throughout history. A stronger nation takes over a weaker one. Its just a cycle. I don't think its right, it just happens. Also (though I'm not sure since I'm no expert on ES lore) didn't the snow elves (Falmer?) attack the Nords first? Sides I'm pretty sure the snow elves at least took over Skyrim from another race or people in the past.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:26 pm

Do you not see the irony in your post? The empire doesn't want to change. They want to rule over people they have no right to rule over. People they don't respect. Your empire is ruled by a moron who can't beat a single province on his own. Something Hammerfell did solo. Your empire is weak and needs to die while it still has any honor left.

The Dominion catch the empire by surprise, hammerfell on the other hand was fighting a dominion that was already weakened after the fight with the empire, I agree that the empire make a mistake by accepting that treaty but it is by no mean that the empire is weak.

Hammerfell was left a devastated nation after a fight with a weakened dominion, the empire fight the dominion on its prime.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:30 pm

The stormcloaks aren't actually that strong, they hold less of skyrim and the entire stormcloak army is sellswords and children who have no experience in war. In fact before the Dragonborn joins the stormcloaks are pretty much near losing the war due to the Imperials having more strength and resources not to mention better gear.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:46 am

Says the Stormcloak right? The ones that want to rule over all of Skyrim? Do they have a right to rule over the dunmer?

Well they can always go back hom...oh too soon? :devil:

The Dunmer deserve what they got after treating the argonians like slaves for years. I don't hate the dunmer but i don't feel sorry for them. I do feel sorry for the argonians though but they a fighters and will be fine. Skyrim gave the Dunmer a home after theirs blew up, they should be grateful because the nords gave them a place to live.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:44 pm

exactly, and under stormcloak rule, the elves would be driven into the slums and be massive victims of hate crimes, the argonians would be kicked out, the khajitt would be deported , what a great place that would be. And the orcs would be driven out as well ,if not murdered.

I was with you 'til the last part xD

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:16 am

The Dominion catch the empire by surprise, hammerfell on the other hand was fighting a dominion that was already weakened after the fight with the empire, I agree that the empire make a mistake by accepting that treaty but it is by no mean that the empire is weak.

Hammerfell was left a devastated nation after a fight with a weakened dominion, the empire fight the dominion on its prime.

That's why the empire should be fighting the thalmor now while they are extra weak, but they don't because they are corrupt and stupid. The thalmor is in no shape to fight right now.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:12 pm

The Dominion catch the empire by surprise, hammerfell on the other hand was fighting a dominion that was already weakened after the fight with the empire, I agree that the empire make a mistake by accepting that treaty but it is by no mean that the empire is weak.

Hammerfell was left a devastated nation after a fight with a weakened dominion, the empire fight the dominion on its prime.

Yes, but it was an EMPIRE against the Dominion, the Empire being united provinces, while Hammerfell was a single one.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:09 pm

Iam a Proud nord And former dunmer, So the Stomrcloaks, I belive each race should have order uppn its own province, not let some emperor tell them how to live, plus the empire is not the same one we used to love even though i never liled them all that much, i laways been in rebel so i just fit in with the Stormcloaks, BUT i do not support Ulfric, i wouldve treated balgruuf differently as well, other than that the empire can go kick rocks, too lazy to write then the rest,