Ayup. It's not the lore, it's the hard-core dwebes' interpretations and insistence to adherence that, IMO, hurts. You're severely stifled IF you allow gamers to dictate where your story can and can not go. Gamers are NOT designers, pure and simple. Some may ALSO be designers, but by and large, the gaming community is incapable of design.

Well, I know I take all my gaming advice from 10 year olds.

We'll let them design the game... it'll be like this! http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090908145333/simpsons/images/0/05/TheHomer.png

but maybe they were afraid to do too much with the vampires because people would complain one way or another, but if they had that sort of freedom that allowed them to do what they wanted then it could possible be better.

I LOL'd!

I know. It'd be awesome, huh?

I'm an outlier in that I like lore, but if it makes the game better for lore to be squeezed a little, not discarded, mind you, but given a slight kicking around, I'm all for it. After all, I pay to play, not to "study up on lore" and become some sort of video game history professor.

they did do it the way they wanted (it break all in-game lore, and real life myths at that), if they removed all the lore they would not have done them any other way, the lore can only enhance the game

Glad to see another gamer who likes both genres. I have a hard time in those conversations where it is RPG vs. FPS. I have loved them both for years I started with paper and pen like D&D and when I had my first PC in the 90's. I started playing DooM and Hexen. Then I rediscovered RPG's later with Morrowind. This is why I almost freaked when they made Fallout 3. It had been my dream for years, To see a FPSRPG game.

Voice of Reason, can I ask what PS2 games you think are better looking than realistic style graphics?

Hello troll, have a sweetroll.

Well, my 53 year-old mother plays this game now... (Since WOW was just wasting her money.)

Her opinions are not as "harsh" as mine... but her short reply is... "It is fun, but not as fun as WOW. A lot of it doesn't make sense, but that doesn't matter. I just ignore all the bugs." etc... She is a real understanding person, and just enjoys running around and collecting, selling, and killing things. Which just-about sums up the whole game, to me...

The lore... (Rolls eyes)... If I cared about the lore, I would be more disappointed... I know it is there, I know a lot of it, but I just don't care about it. There is nothing to care about, it is lore... Lore doesn't drive the events of the game, or does it have any impact on the play. There are non-existent Dwemer, dragons, people, undead, and other game-things... Heck, the main-character, "dragonborn", is just a copy of other dragonborns in the game, and not even remotely unique, or popular, or even respected... Not even lore-worthy... He is just an observer, a slave, a gopher, and a grunt.

I read the dragon-born book from the intro... It outlines someone who is not the player... The game never portrays the player as "that dragon-born"... So obviously, it is some other person in the lore.

Why would any player care for those who don't seem to care for the player? No-one in the game seems to care about anything. Except that one kid, who likes that one girl, who keeps punching him...

Guilds are barely clubs...

Dragons are a joke...

Armies are bar-mob...

Dungeons are freaking awesome... but empty and devoid of exploration enjoyment, without any real rewards.

Cities are barely a town... More like a village...

Punishment for crimes are just laughable... I am surprised there are not more crimes, with penalties this shallow...

Gods all seem helpless, and always want you to help... WTF, seriously...

Bad guys are just like CEO's of mob crime... Apparently with only one working member... Me...

Yielding is only obeyed by the player... Not one NPC truly yields...

The reward for being good is death... The reward for being bad, is less gold...

These are all things we joke about, while we play... Entertainment comes from trying to figure-out how to work around the bugs, and how to cheat the game's many glitches... Sometimes actually completing quests that can be completed, until the game renders itself unplayable.

Seriously... Lore... That should shape the game, not force it... It is 200 years past all the other events... Time to start letting us create the lore. Isn't that what the game was intended to do... make YOU the lore, not just dictate it to you... by forcing your actions.

So your kid brother wished for spears and crossbows despite starting out with oblivion and hardly playing any morrowind? You sir, are a liar.

If you own a pc, a decent one then you better off to wait til there mods for it. Things like gold coins weight, crafting arrows and arrow weight, camping, fishing, eating sleeping, lightning effects during a storm, etcs.

Even race or character packs such as better textures for face and body, give it some time to develop and still need alot of cleaning up to do with glitches and bugs in the game.

Does your child know how to roleplay? Roleplaying is completely different than video game such as Rift, WoW, etcs.

Only problems is that this game is meant for single player, so wont be any outsiders involved playing the game. That what most players are missing the fun.

i think that the role playing really helps, but it is also kind of hard to care for some of the things in skyrim, so most of the time i will ignore a lot of things.

The love of the art in the game, the detail, is the only common ground we all have in agreement in these games.

Adding more "stuff" will not make it better. It will only divert your attention back to the other issues which exist.

For all that the modders can add, they can do nothing much to remove the flaws related to lore. Unless they create a whole new game from scratch.

What is carved in stone, is done. Ignore it, and it will not change the game, or the outcome of your character.

Obvious troll is obvious. Stop feeding him.

sure (but try to quote me next time, i almost missed your post ) i was thinking about a few parts in shadow of the colossus when i wrote that but i also think kingdom hearts and final fantasy look great too

My 23 year old brother is enjoying Skyrim.

Not everyone likes everything.

10 year olds usually have the attention span similar to that of a cornflake, no wonder he does not enjoy it

if you find the nord culture boring... maybe you should move south...... like the southpole hehehehehe. and take your brother with you.

Stopped reading after "we avoid dwemer ruins". Gotta be kidding me !

Sorry I didn't quote you Voice of Reason, my phone acts wonky on this forum in terms of quoting and stuff.

In response to your choices, im going to have to disagree as I absolutely despise Japanese anime and the entire art style.

Good, your little brother is smarter than what maybe 75% of skyrim players, and smarter than probably 1/4 of TES 5 crew...

Why would you think that a 10 year old is a valid judge of what is boring? 10 year olds are known to be bored quite easily. Not all but enough that it is a valid stereotype.

Seriosuly, Bethesda dont even bother with most of the Lore...there is really interesting an good stuff in there...instead they chose ot ignore/overwrite it with new stuff that is "easier to understand".