I have to agree that this takes som of the credibility out of the thread. Sure, you might find the falmer and dwemer boring and you might even have a good reason for it, but when you put emphasis on your young brother in the title and present it in a manner where he agrees with on every point it seems pointless. Just because he is young and have the same opinion as you it makes it more valid. It is like me saying "Vampires are annoying t play as and lack benefits, even my 15 year old brother agrees", even if the statement isn't necessarily false it doesn't make it more valid just because my brother agrees.

At 10 years old, the OPs brother's opinion does not carry any weight. How hard is this to understand?

Well, considering the game being rated M, I agree.
But again I don't see the reasoning behind why the opinion of a 10 year old should matter less than mine or yours.

As a tough critic I find that theirs nothing wrong with the appearance of the Falmer. I'm backing gamesas up on that one as I feel that they were creative in designing the character.

and your 10 year old brother shouldn't be playing this game. It's for advlts. It's far more complicated than a child's brain.

Someone with 10 years of experience in this world, IMHO, doesn't have the required mental pathways to make qualified assertions about anything more than what they want for lunch and what they want to watch on TV tonight.

lol its okay and to each their own, i like the anime style

Now why the heck does everyone keep comparing TES to FO3?? Because they're both developed and produced by the same company?

@xande010: What makes TES games so unique from other games since rpg were created, is the fan base lore. Fans like yourself have actually created TES lore all over the internet. Some of it is so good, that it actually fools people into thinking it's actual canon (aka events that have actually occurred in TES universe). This is in addition to lore the devs create in the game in the form of quests, books, and legends/rumors.

This fan base dynamic is what makes TES so unique. Fan base speculation keeps the storyline fresh and immersive, the game play interesting, and the fan base stimulated. Thanks to the creative license Bethesda has given the fan base, this speculation also creates a base for creative what- if type scenarios once CK comes out. This is where I'll be getting all my replay value in the game.

But this dynamic also comes at the expense of reality---the lore doesn't become fact until the next TES installation. Your Oblivion character's superhuman acts of closing the Oblivion gates and saving Tamriel didn't become actual reality until TES V in Skyrim. And that is when we learned of another fact--the Great War---which triggered to the Stormcloak rebellion. Even then, you still have to be cautious about what you've read about actual events like these, because the source may not be entirely objective….

For example it's a fact (ie TES canon) that the Snow Elven King was killed in the Elves first attempted genocide of all mankind in Tamriel. TES canon proves this event happened back in Morrowind. In Bloodmoon, you find the Elven King's remains as part of the Snow Elf quest in Solstheim. The outcome of this quest seems to canonize the TES lore in the book about the Fall of the Snow Prince. But the actual details of how he died is still a mystery (aka TES lore). The Nord account in the Fall of the Snow Prince has a very biased view of the Battle of the Moesring. Especially if you consider that it claims a mere 8 stone (112lb) 12 year old girl ran him through with a 14 stone (196 lb) spear

Same thing for the present day debate in Skyrim about whether Stormcloaks or Empire is the better choice for the survival of mankind. Which is the more ethical choice is completely irrelevant until TES VI. That's when we'll learn what the actual outcome of our hero's actions was in Skyrim.
The actual outcome of Skyrim's---and mankind's---has most likely been written in the Elder Scrolls already (aka where the devs decide to take the TES universe next). So it really doesn't matter if your Dark Elf character thinks All Nords/ Ulfric/the Stormcloaks the biggest racists in Tamriel and elopes to join the Empire. Even if the Empire wins in your version of Skyrim, the devs may have a completeley different--most likely twisted---outcome in TES VI. They did this with events like the Great War between Oblivion and Skyrim after all. Hell, the Sload might be at the top of the food pyramid ruling the TES universe come TES VI.

Their new empire might come complete complete with a legion of loyal Altmer slaves. So until then, just remember TES lore is nothing but speculation…..

At his age, I would have said all games are boring. Then I got a sudden IQ boost and understood how awesome games are.

Top 10 reasons why:
10. because a 10 year old is like an emotional weather vane. They'll blow in the direction an older sibling--or any authority figure they respect for that matter---directs them to
9. because a 10 year old doesn't pay a mortgage
8. because a 10 year old isn't old enough to vote (or drink. or drive. or do both)
7. because a 10 year old isn't old enough to have the privilege of being in a tax bracket
6. because a 10 year old can be very dentological in thinking
5. because a 10 year old isn't cognitively mature enough to perform independent rationalization and can suffer from a herd mentaility in that chronological phase.
4. because a 10 year old is 100% dependent on someone else---most likely a legal advlt---for all life support and sustenance.
3.. because a 10 year old may not be cognitively mature enough to distinguish intuition from inductive and deductive reasoning
2. because a 10 year old lacks the patience to play legacy games like Arena, Battlespire and Daggerfall. The CGI/VGA graphics will most likely give them a brain aneurysm. So consequently, it's very likely they'll never appreciate the complexity or depth of a rpg like TES at that age.
1. because a 10 year old has the emotional range of a teaspoon.

I doubt that any of the statements in 9, 8, 7 and 4 has something to do with the ability to make up an opinion about something. I also don't see what 3 has to do with saying if the kid likes something or not and for what reason.
On the basis that we are talking about TES, that is fine. If you now take these reasons to another product, say, LEGO or any toy, I would contradict about every point you mentioned. My question aimed really generally on why the opinion of a child should have less weight since it seemed to be used in a very general term.

Edit: At the age of 10 I played Settlers 2 and the X-Com games (even earlier). I was able to understand and play the game. At the age of 11 I played Age of Empires, and even though it was much fun, I hated the missing balance of the priests, converting every unit in seconds. So I think - although in part you have a point - you underestimate the little ones .

What, I thought the Dwemer ruins were some of the best looking dungeons in the game, to each their own I guess.

One of the things I would argue that are NOT boring are the dwemer and falmer. He is 10 after all.

Your 10 yr old brother should be spanked then.

ppl wil complain non subjectivly with out trying to sudjest anything, lol, complaining is important, it builds better games, whining is not tho, it helps no one. dwemer ruins bad, almost as bad as the comments i saw that said dungeons were to long, these ppl should be shot, the dillute tes as beth panders to the wider market...

yeah anime isnot one thing, alot of ppl seem to have the idea animie is all final fantasy and gundum warrior, its really not, thats like say all western anima is all finding nemo.
If anyone wants to see anime thats not wide eyes and boobs watch 'Monster' be prepared tho it is a long series but an excellent grownup narritive.

The problem with Elder Scrolls games is that Bethesda leave alot to your imagination and regardless of whether you are 10 or 50 if you lack imangination you will likely start finding this game boring.

This isn't helped by the shallow quest options (there aren't any) and lack of detail in some places but some people like myself enjoy the game anyway because we make up our own narrative to play along with.

The Elder Scrolls began with a set of generic races designed only to satisfy basic gameplay mechanics. Elder Scrolls lore was shoehorned into these quite-shallow roots.

I had something like ...

Finally Dwemer Ruins , I did miss them ... Dwemer ruins where one of the more interesting ruins in Morrowind, specially since they are less than generic fantasy, if you ask me Oblivion was by far generic fantasy, the Oblivion gates I hated , always did put my difficulty slider on the lowest ...

Also really love the lore 'till now, the empire being crumbled bad ass elves with ambition , provincies breaking up ...

So far I enjoy it better than Oblivion, maybe even Morrowind ....

10 yeard old ? attention span of a ......what were we talking about ?

Yeah I hate the Dwemer ruins as well.
The enemies never drop anything worth the hassle.
The chests are few and often have crap in them.
The artistic design is stale and monotomous.
The traps are obvious and boring.

But worst of all, they're long. Real long. Which means even more unrewarding boring playtime.



As to the Nords being boring, yeah I thought they'd have more distinctive traits in their culture but they don't seem too into it themselves.
And Thalmor? Bethesda simply isn't very good at making gray factions.

Gray? Thalmor are TES' Enclave. "Kill everything that isn't us". How is that supposed to be gray?

Yeah, the ruins are pretty horrible. Unless you really want to make dwarven armor, you're not going to come away with a lot of good pieces... maybe a few soul gems. I can't tell you how many quests are just sitting in my journal because I don't want to head back into those places again.

I think we need to take the OP and his brother to Isengard.

I hated the Dwemer ruins in Morrowind, and I hate them in Skyrim.

the 1 good reason to buy one

And this is why 10yr old kids shouldn't play the game without the guidance of someone who knows what's going on. You should have introduced him to the game with a bit of lore background and explained him the RPG mechanics. It's your fault, not his. Congrats for having ruined the game for the kid, it's very unlikely he will put his hands on a TES game ever again.