Introducing Kinect Support for 360 #2 : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:10 pm

but, don't sit there and type false comparisons between this kinect feature and the feeling that you're getting screwed by bethesda.

This, I don't see how people feel like they are being screwed by getting something free.

If you think of this situation with food you see how ridiculous it is.

"Hello sir ready to checkout? Our store is having a special promotion today and you can have one chocolate bar of your choosing"

"Pfft a chocolate bar, are you kidding me? Give me a steak or i'm going to complain to your management!"

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:45 pm

every big business has separate divisions that work on different aspects for the company.

resources have been planned long before skyrim came out.

anybody complaining about priorities and resources has no basic economic understanding.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 am

Catering to the casuals as usual.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:25 am

Well I can sort of agree with you there. I see this as less of a "cool feature" and more of a "microsoft pays more"

But hey, business is business. I am sure you would take an opportunity to make more money if you were in Todd's shoes

You seem to be one of the few people on this forum being rational about this situation. For that I'd like to thank you for not making me lose faith in humanity for the millionth time. XP

Honestly, if MS did pay Bethesda to get this Kinect nonsense involved. Then said payment could quite easily be what keeps any extra Gamejam content we get free, not paid.

Also at those of you whining at Bethesda over this in regards to it requiring Kinect and not being possible to use the voice commands without it, please tell me all the games on the 360 that allow you to. I think you'll be surprised.

Bethesda are giving Skyrim the best support of any of their games, anyone who says otherwise is clearly blind.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:27 am

Of course not. But if one of your team members adds things to your game that breaks it even further because s/he can write code but can't for some reason go back and test it or correct it when it goes wrong, maybe you should let that person go.

I don't pretend to know bethesda's inner workings. But they MUST have people that are not coding.

Now if their whole team was programmers then yea, fix the bugs first. But say you have an animator who has only minimal coding knowledge.

Why should he be forced to work on fixing bugs instead of making more animations? He may not even know how to fix bugs.

By allowing their people to work on what they are good at they ARE getting priorities right.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:25 pm

Well, let's not be ungrateful little you know whats. Us PC users got a free texture pack, just out of the blue, and I don't remember console users making much of a fuss. My neighbor plays on an Xbox and I cringe whenever I watch him play because he only has 2 hotkeys, no quick save, and has to go through a menu just to get to his map / inv, etc.. This new feature will make playing on the Xbox MUCH more fun. I don't see it as a gimmicky feature, at all.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:19 am

Well, let's not be ungrateful little you know whats. Us PC users got a free texture pack, just out of the blue, and I don't remember console users making much of a fuss. My neighbor plays on an Xbox and I cringe whenever I watch him play because he only has 2 hotkeys, no quick save, and has to go through a menu just to get to his map / inv, etc.. This new feature will make playing on the Xbox MUCH more fun. I don't see it as a gimmicky feature, at all.

yeah that menu system can be a pain. :confused:

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:08 pm

Im happy that bethesda is trying out new thing, who knows maybe voice control will be an much more important part in fallout 4 or TES 6.

Please dont encourage them. What am I saying- they dont listen to us lol carry on.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:02 pm

I am an advlt male with a good income. I've owned almost every major console since Atari 2600 (I was a kid back then, not that old yet :smile:

I bought
-Morrowind XBOX
-Morrowind GOTY Xbox
-Oblivion PS3
-All DLC for Oblivion PS3 (we missed out on some)
-FO3 PC
-FO3 PS3
-FO3 GOTY PS3
-FONV PS3
-N64 RAM EXPANSION PAK!
- Perfect Dark remake on XBL

etc... The point is, I buy stuff. I don't steal games or "try them" and justify it later. I buy stuff, new. I pre order stuff. Heck, I even bought PSMove. I have PSN content I bought that I never even used, that's how freely I impulse buy stuff.

But I will never, ever use Kinect for a WRPG. And I will only ever buy Kinect when my girlfriend forces me to. She doesn't even use that Dance Dance mat I got her that she wanted so bad. She's too busy working and making money for me to waste on videogames.

Anyway, here is the point. You've got a guy like me, a life long $SPENDER OF MONEY on videogames, a huge fan of RPGs, and with the Kinect release coming out before any DLC for Skyrim... I feel almost insulted.

I know it's nothing personal, but it feels like I am being brushed off in favor of little kids who like Smackdown vs. Raw and kinect kiddie games.

I guess you no longer want my money. Fine by me, but given the recent economic trends, the people you are catering to are making way less money these days and are more inclined to pirate stuff and hack crap than someone like me.

I agree about the wrestling. Especially the wrestling finishers that have been implemented.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:36 pm

Catering to the casuals as usual.

I saw in the previous thread that you said you wanted the inventory sorting added for people without kinect. That's something I want too but I seriously doubt it's gonna happen.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:40 am

I like the weapon voice commands a lot. But my wife already calls me a dork, now if she walks into my man cave while im shouting YOL TOOR SHUL to the TV. She might leave me for the pool boy.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:34 pm

Still a slap in the face especially when Skyrim still has a lot of bug problems.

And you know for a fact that the people or person who worked on this feature would or could have been squashing bugs if they hadn't built this?

Should those who are builders and content creators just sit around idly or stay at home collecting unemployment until the system programmers and bug stompers are finished debugging the entire game? Or should they remain busy working on additional content to expand the game?

When content is release ready should it be shelved to collect dust so that those with over-delicate sensibilities won't be offended that it's released before their pet bug is squashed? Or, should ready to go content and features be released so that those who would enjoy it can do so while they are still actually playing the game?

If new content and features weren't released until all the bugs had been squashed, we wouldn't see new content at all during the game's life cycle. Players play for a while, then they move on. If you want to keep them playing, you have to give them something while they are still interested.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Fellow poster "The Main event" should be rewarded for his constructive posts.

On topic: Why not? Let's try something new...

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:15 pm

I saw in the previous thread that you said you wanted the inventory sorting added for people without kinect. That's something I want too but I seriously doubt it's gonna happen.

actually, if they are adding it in the game I can't really see that being a feature controller users don't get.

If you don't realize you can sort by pressing buttons what will make you realize you can sort with your voice (speaking of non-forum goers at least)

If they add the feature in there will have to be some sort of visual cue that you can do it so as to not be completely missed by people.

In short: I think we are gonna get inventory sorting either way.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:25 pm

Wow... So, the interface is so awful, because they were planning on fixing it for Kinect users only?? WTF. When I read the description, I thought that in addition to using kinect for shouts, players would also be able to sort inventory (without kinect). Bummer. I'm not sure I want to buy a Kinect, but I don't think they plan on making improvements to the inventory.. It's strange that they would put any focus on making improvements for kinect users. I mean, how many people Skyrim on the 360? 30%? And how many of those use kinect (kinect is a joke)? Maybe 10-15% of 360 users? More? I don't know. Still, it's a small minority of TES players who have kinect, so why spend any time working on kinect specific features? Do you think Microsoft paid them to push kinect?

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:38 pm

Upon further inspection the only thing I'm disappointed about is that I still don't know what the big supercool dlc/expansions will be

. Forever over excited. Can't wait to get my new pc and finally play Skyrim on something good!

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:58 pm

Is this the big news of April? Color me disappointed. Not even the majority of the Xbox users own/are interested in Kinect, PC or PS3 users are left out entirely.

There were several good things shown in the gamejam video, Kinect support was not even one of the most interesting or applauded by the community.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Wow... So, the interface is so awful, because they were planning on fixing it for Kinect users only?? WTF. When I read the description, I thought that in addition to using kinect for shouts, players would also be able to sort inventory (without kinect). Bummer. I'm not sure I want to buy a Kinect, but I don't think they plan on making improvements to the inventory.. It's strange that they would put any focus on making improvements for kinect users. I mean, how many people Skyrim on the 360? 30%? And how many of those use kinect (kinect is a joke)? Maybe 10-15% of 360 users? More? I don't know. Still, it's a small minority of TES players who have kinect, so why spend any time working on kinect specific features? Do you think Microsoft paid them to push kinect?

Nope, the interface is awful (in your opinion) because of design decisions. Bethesda said no to kinect before release. The only reason they are doing it now is because one (or more) of their programmers got it mostly completed during game jam so they though "eh why not."

Plus they are somehow managing to give it to us FOR FREE. How often does a game company pull off free stuff (especially with microsoft.) Poor team fortress 2 got ruined because microsoft wanted to charge 10 dollars per expansion even though valve knew they couldn't do that if they were going to release a ton of expansions.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:04 pm

Wow... So, the interface is so awful, because they were planning on fixing it for Kinect users only?? WTF. When I read the description, I thought that in addition to using kinect for shouts, players would also be able to sort inventory (without kinect). Bummer. I'm not sure I want to buy a Kinect, but I don't think they plan on making improvements to the inventory.. It's strange that they would put any focus on making improvements for kinect users. I mean, how many people Skyrim on the 360? 30%? And how many of those use kinect (kinect is a joke)? Maybe 10-15% of 360 users? More? I don't know. Still, it's a small minority of TES players who have kinect, so why spend any time working on kinect specific features? Do you think Microsoft paid them to push kinect?

i think it was the previous kinect thread where the poster listed the actual stats of kinect sales. it's insanely high. all the freakin non-gamers and wii lovers and grandparents, etc. must buy that stuff up.

the evolution of video games has become full-tilt mainstream now. the casuals must be taken into account.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:54 pm

i think it was the previous kinect thread where the poster listed the actual stats of kinect sales. it's insanely high. all the freakin non-gamers and wii lovers and grandparents, etc. must buy that stuff up.

the evolution of video games has become full-tilt mainstream now. the casuals must be taken into account.

yea it makes me sad. I thought the gimmicky new "skylanders" would die

but apparently its insanely popular right now. I can't even stand to look at what they did to spyro :cryvaultboy:

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:32 pm

- This marks the second update to Skyrim where Bethesda have added Gamejam content to the game. Just because it isn't content you can use or that you don't like doesn't entitle you to whine about it when it's completely free.

- Just because Beth haven't mentioned bug fixes in the announcement for this features inclusion in the form of a patch doesn't mean there won't be any bug fixes with it. (They could be finalising the list of fixes before release)

- Gamejam content. For free. I couldn't really make it more obvious if I tried.

- If Beth are adding these features from the GAMEJAM, which it will now have done TWICE, for FREE. Then if you really think for two seconds about it, doesn't that mean we could see more?

- Bethesda have a timed exclusivity deal with Microsoft for the expansions. Who knows what goes on in the background at Beth HQ? Maybe this wasn't something they wanted to add so soon. Perhaps they might be making money off of doing this via another deal. Which if you think about it would mean they're making money without having to charge us anything.

- The above point is very important. At the end of the day, games are made to make money, there is very little standing in the way of us having to pay for this content and get it for free. There is also no way of knowing when they'll stop patching it in for free and start charging us, if they ever do. Enjoy this while it lasts, even if you don't like what they add.

- Bethesda don't owe us anything, if you're playing or you've played Skyrim, that most likely means you've purchased it. They already have our money, that's all they wanted and they got it the day you bought the game. They could easily have said 'Nope, [censored] you' and not bothered to patch the game at all and there would've been nothing we could have done about it, by the time we'd have realised patches weren't coming it would have become impossible to return the game for a refund.http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/120318.jpg

- They are actually supporting the game, not just fixing mistakes but adding content as well. How many developers do that if the game isn't an MMO?

- Just because it isn't what you want, just because you don't like it and just because you won't stop [censored]ing about the fact on a forum, doesn't mean Beth are going to release what you want any faster. Be grateful free content is being added at all.

- If you actually want to see the content you desire added to the game. Stop [censored] complaining, people tend to have little tolerance for ingratitude.

- They're making an effort. Beth are fixing mistakes and adding new content, they are trying to make Skyrim even better than it already is. Instead of shooting them down at every turn how about actually being mature about it for five minutes and accepting that the effort they're making is in itself something to be grateful for. There are plenty of developers that just wouldn't care.

In short: A little less complaining would probably help actually get what you want added to the game. Bethesda are supporting Skyrim, how about you guys start supporting Bethesda and showing them we're actually worth the effort.

Since honestly, at this stage, I don't think we are.

To Bethesda: I have my issues with Skyrim, I have my complaints, my problems, my peeves and my hates. And like the rest of the community I have things I want in the game, but I am patient, and I will wait.

Fixing bugs, adding new content and restoring Elder Scrolls to its former glory; Well, heh, that takes time... even for Bethesda.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:19 am

Nope, the interface is awful (in your opinion) because of design decisions. Bethesda said no to kinect before release. The only reason they are doing it now is because one (or more) of their programmers got it mostly completed during game jam so they though "eh why not."

Plus they are somehow managing to give it to us FOR FREE. How often does a game company pull off free stuff (especially with microsoft.) Poor team fortress 2 got ruined because microsoft wanted to charge 10 dollars per expansion even though valve knew they couldn't do that if they were going to release a ton of expansions.

Design choice, I know. I miss sorting and wish to express that disappointment with snark. I hope they add the ability to sort without kinect, as long is it doesn't take too much effort on their part. As much as I'd like it, I'll take additional content, if I have to choose.

i think it was the previous kinect thread where the poster listed the actual stats of kinect sales. it's insanely high. all the freakin non-gamers and wii lovers and grandparents, etc. must buy that stuff up.

the evolution of video games has become full-tilt mainstream now. the casuals must be taken into account.

That's so bizarre.. There aren't any decent kinect games... I guess it's like you said, lots of parents buying them for young children.

Free stuff is cool, but how much work they do for free has a ceiling. I wish it had been something that everyone can use, rather than just kinect folk.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:30 pm

That's so bizarre.. There aren't any decent kinect games... I guess it's like you said, lots of parents buying them for young children.

... that makes me sad.

Today's kids wont experience quake or half life or morrowind or Fable (the original!) or Diablo or spyro... the list goes on.

Today's kids will grow up slapping their self in the face trying to pop a virtual balloon in front of them. Either that or watching cartoons that make you feel like your brain is leaking out your ears. Or (shudder) Jersey shore.

Edit, yea I know none of those are kid games (except spyro) but you all gotta admit, you played em'.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:56 pm

If I saw someone in a room playing Skyrim with Kinect, I'd just randomly shout FUS RO DAH while they're walking through town.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:47 pm

If I saw someone in a room playing Skyrim with Kinect, I'd just randomly shout FUS RO DAH while they're walking through town.

Or whirlwind sprint while they are walking up a mountain XD