I'll never capture that "Morrowind" moment again...

Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:22 pm

I started TES with Oblivion. Should I go back and play Morrowind just for the experience? :confused:
If you haven't, yes it is a very good game. And that comes from one that thinks Skyrim is much better.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:45 am

You should have read all the whining posts when Morrowind was new. "Why have chairs if you can't sit in them?"...was a very memorable one. Bethesda fixed that.
Scores of others even more meaningless. One thing hasn't changed. The tenor of the forums upon release of a game. Constructive criticism does have its place however, but to be bombarded with whining gets a little taxing.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 6:16 am

I started TES with Oblivion. Should I go back and play Morrowind just for the experience? :confused:
Play Daggerfall first.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:42 am

I started TES with Oblivion. Should I go back and play Morrowind just for the experience? :confused:
Yes.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:34 am

Let me tell you one thing:
Morrowind is NOT a better game than Skyrim.
BUT Morrowind is a game, that many of us like more than Skyrim.
This is perfectly reasonable, and the main reason for this is nostalgia.
Think about it for a bit. Morrowind was never a perfect game. You all remember, how you HATED it not to hit anything on the screen! You remember how you got killed by kwamas and mudcrabs.
And yet, these are the things that we love in Morrowind today. Of course, things have changed gameplay-wise from MW to Skyrim, but the difference is actually not as big as you might think.
Some RPG-elements have been removed, others have been added.
Actually, I believe that many of us actually perceived Morrowind as so immersive, because it was so foggy. No joke. The foggy environment combined with the peaceful atmospheric tracks create a lot of immersion! I remember walking around in Morrowind, and only seeing the few meters in front of me. Your imagination does the rest. Morrowind was like dungeons and dragons on the PC.
In addition, for many of us, morrowind was the first Elder Scrolls game, or even the first PC-RPG at all. This leaves a memory. When i think of Morrowind, I think of two single scenarios: One is me walking upstairs in a tavern. The other is me being chased by a kwama. When I think of Oblivion, I think of one single time where I was wandering thorugh a forest during a thunderstorm. These single moments are the things that we remember about the old games, and I′m sure we′ll have these in Skyrim too. But your third RPG is never like your first RPG.
This is why I think that there shouldn′t be any Morrowind vs Skyrim comparisons. Both are excellent games for their time, and even though Skyrim is more advanced in many ways, as it is a modern game, there is nothing wrong in prefering the classic Morrowind.
This is not a question about gameplay or content or RPG elements or complexity or spears. It′s about the game itself and your experiences within it. Even if they remade morrowind 1/1 with modern graphics and so on, it probably still wouldn′t be the same as playing the original Morrowind.
Having this said, we all should stop comparing these two great games with each other and instead enjoying our personal favorites, which ever it might be.
Thank you :)
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 2:36 am

Nostalgia aside, Morrowind is simply a much better game than Skyrim.

Gonna have to disagree there. Morrowind had a ton of huge flaws. Aside from the bugginess of Skyrim, it's much better IMO.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:52 am

People talk highly of this "Morrowind". People should stop giving two [censored] about it so Bethesda can put it on their site for free like Daggerfall and Arena. I want it, but not for 20 dollars.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 12:54 am

People talk highly of this "Morrowind". People should stop giving two [censored] about it so Bethesda can put it on their site for free like Daggerfall and Arena. I want it, but not for 20 dollars.
Your loss. I've worn out my original disc. I have one that I'm playing, and one never opened for later. That's how much I like it.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 11:11 am

Let me tell you one thing:
Morrowind is NOT a better game than Skyrim.
BUT Morrowind is a game, that many of us like more than Skyrim.
This is perfectly reasonable, and the main reason for this is nostalgia.
Think about it for a bit. Morrowind was never a perfect game. You all remember, how you HATED it not to hit anything on the screen! You remember how you got killed by kwamas and mudcrabs.
And yet, these are the things that we love in Morrowind today. Of course, things have changed gameplay-wise from MW to Skyrim, but the difference is actually not as big as you might think.
Some RPG-elements have been removed, others have been added.
Actually, I believe that many of us actually perceived Morrowind as so immersive, because it was so foggy. No joke. The foggy environment combined with the peaceful atmospheric tracks create a lot of immersion! I remember walking around in Morrowind, and only seeing the few meters in front of me. Your imagination does the rest. Morrowind was like dungeons and dragons on the PC.
In addition, for many of us, morrowind was the first Elder Scrolls game, or even the first PC-RPG at all. This leaves a memory. When i think of Morrowind, I think of two single scenarios: One is me walking upstairs in a tavern. The other is me being chased by a kwama. When I think of Oblivion, I think of one single time where I was wandering thorugh a forest during a thunderstorm. These single moments are the things that we remember about the old games, and I′m sure we′ll have these in Skyrim too. But your third RPG is never like your first RPG.
This is why I think that there shouldn′t be any Morrowind vs Skyrim comparisons. Both are excellent games for their time, and even though Skyrim is more advanced in many ways, as it is a modern game, there is nothing wrong in prefering the classic Morrowind.
This is not a question about gameplay or content or RPG elements or complexity or spears. It′s about the game itself and your experiences within it. Even if they remade morrowind 1/1 with modern graphics and so on, it probably still wouldn′t be the same as playing the original Morrowind.
Having this said, we all should stop comparing these two great games with each other and instead enjoying our personal favorites, which ever it might be.
Thank you :)
Another Morrowind positive post that is simply great.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 7:42 am

Give Morrowind the graphical facelift that is Skyrim and I bet you it would be hailed as the greater title.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 7:27 am

Bethesda is just following the industry trend. The RPG definition is changing.

That was Morrowind. Morrowind seems to be the magical "true BGS RPG" calling card for most on these forums and that's been true for years. Except then you see many of them struggle to grasp Daggerfall.

Morrowind is the standard Oblivion, F3, and Skyrim follow. Not the other way around. It's barely an RPG.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:47 pm

Give Morrowind the graphical facelift that is Skyrim and I bet you it would be hailed as the greater title.

I doubt it. There have been many changes from Morrowind to Skyrim, besides graphics.
Morrowind is great for being Morrowind, with all its flaws, and I personally, like it with the graphics it has.
Although I′m certain that there will be MANY mods to add some Morrowind-like attrbutes to Skyrim, to add a bit of its flair for those who think like you.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 7:46 am

Bethesda is just following the industry trend. The RPG definition is changing.

GAH! No, please...don't have this turn into yet another MMORPG with elitist goons camping the mobs and sneering at your armor choice - Kill it! Kill it with fire!
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 12:56 am

I doubt it. There have been many changes from Morrowind to Skyrim, besides graphics.
Morrowind is great for being Morrowind, with all its flaws, and I personally, like it with the graphics it has.
Although I′m certain that there will be MANY mods to add some Morrowind-like attrbutes to Skyrim, to add a bit of its flair for those who think like you.

Like voice acting, better animations (watch your character run in Morrowind, it's hilarious) among other things.

Morrowind was better in that it was a complex and deep RPG system. Skyrim isn't, but I like Skyrim better by far. I always was aware of being in a game world in Morrowind, at times in Skyrim I totally forget.

Plus the turn based combat thing, not to sound like a casual gamer, is a bit outdated. It still works for some things like JRPGs but if it was in Skyrim I'd rage.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 8:46 am

That was Morrowind. Morrowind seems to be the magical "true BGS RPG" calling card for most on these forums and that's been true for years. Except then you see many of them struggle to grasp Daggerfall.

Morrowind is the standard Oblivion, F3, and Skyrim follow. Not the other way around. It's barely an RPG.

Definitions change...
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 3:23 am

GAH! No, please...don't have this turn into yet another MMORPG with elitist goons camping the mobs and sneering at your armor choice - Kill it! Kill it with fire!

Todd stated that he wouldn′t do an Elder Scrolls mmo.
Todd is a pretty cool guy.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 12:59 pm

Indeed, you just have to enjoy each game on its own merit.

I completely agree. I started out with Daggerfall as well and when morrowind came out I was completely enthralled by it, and still love the game today. Oblivion was good and I enjoyed many many hours playing it. I am enjoying Skyrim but it doesnt have that oomph that I thought it would have. Im going to give it time though because I know its great. It has to be its a Bethesda title.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:15 am

magical time in our gaming history.

All gamers will eventually face the fact that their "magical" time is past and while we can enjoy games it will never be what it once was. I have been fortunate enough to have started my gaming career early in the dawn of gaming and, as such, have found that as gaming made leaps I was able to have multiple "magical times"

(Single player, network play, early internet play, mature internet play, MMOS)

At this point I can't say where the gaming industry is going to but you may once again revel in the joy of "magical times"
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 7:16 am

Nostalgia aside, Morrowind is simply a much better game than Skyrim.
As a game? I Highly disagree.

Were it not for the Atmosphere of the game, the assets of the game itself are largely irredeemable aside from mods. And I'm not just referring to the combat.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 5:22 am

Definitions change...

The definition of RPG never changed. The types and emphasis changed. At the basis of RPGs are yes role, but from the transfer of tabletop to cRPG statistics and mechanics were highly clung to. There's multiple features RPGs have, actually the genre is quite broad and as tech becomes better RPG features are in every genre as they combine because you don't need a stand-alone game with a single feature anymore.

Bethesda typically gets slammed for writing, certain world building, AI, and lack of statistics/mechanics based elements vs just being able to create and play a role.

I was just pointing out that most Morrowind fans on these forums aren't exactly cut to speak on the matters of an RPG when Morrowind set the basis of how 2000 on would be for RPGs. Oblivion and so on follow it's very framework.

Which is it compromises on many statistical elements while adding to having a sprawling world you can see every pixel of spread around you, thoug that's simplifying very much.

And the fact that the attribute system in Skyrim just shows how simple it was starting with Arena.

As for my impression toward Skyrim:

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1298709-late-impressions/page__pid__19556150#entry19556150
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Post » Sun May 27, 2012 11:35 pm

Let me tell you one thing:
Morrowind is NOT a better game than Skyrim.
BUT Morrowind is a game, that many of us like more than Skyrim.
This is perfectly reasonable, and the main reason for this is nostalgia.
I disagree. There isn't some set rule that a new game in a series automatically becomes the best and anyone who disagrees is blinded by nostalgia. Sometimes, the older games are genuinely better. :confused: People use the nostalgia argument far too often.

Again, as an open-world RPG I consider Morrowind to be superior to Skyrim. Aside from graphics, AI and combat, there are very few things Skyrim does better. Most things that really matter (like character development, factions, exploration, etc) it does a lot worse.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 12:22 pm

Bethesda is just following the industry trend. The RPG definition is changing.

So it seems, these days RPG stands for: rapidly pay gold (meaning making money no matter what)! :rolleyes:
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Post » Sun May 27, 2012 11:48 pm


I was just pointing out that most Morrowind fans on these forums aren't exactly cut to speak on the matters of an RPG when Morrowind set the basis of how 2000 on would be for RPGs. Oblivion and so on follow it's very framework.


Single player RPG's have been few and far between since the Diablos, EQ, WoW, X-box live... etc. and the JRPG's started getting a little too J. I guess it makes sense if it was their firstborn, but I could not get into it during several tries in the past few years. I don't think I'm automatically more simple because I like Skyrim more than Morrowind.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 4:30 am

I disagree. There isn't some set rule that a new game in a series automatically becomes the best and anyone who disagrees is blinded by nostalgia. Sometimes, the older games are genuinely better. :confused: People use the nostalgia argument far too often.

Again, as an open-world RPG I consider Morrowind to be superior to Skyrim. Aside from graphics, AI and combat, there are very few things Skyrim does better. Most things that really matter (like character development, factions, exploration, etc) it does a lot worse.

I never said anything about being blinded by nostalgia. That doesn′t even make sense whatsoever, because your personal feelings about a game are the only thing that defines its quality for you. However, your feelings about the game might not be the same as other peoples, and therefore, no general statemnts should be made. Skyrim does not do "a lot worse" in any of the things your mentioned, it does for you. Because, who are we to judge how a game does for OTHER people? It is all about preferences. Of course there are things that can be considered genuinely good or bad, but as you see, these values are not amongst them, as the peoples opinions differ.
I personally, have no idea how you could tink that exploration is worse in Skyrim, as it for me, creates the most detailed and immersive, yet bigger than Morrowinds, game world and I LOVE exploring it. If you prefer the Exploration in Morrowind, this is perfectly okay for me, and I wouldn′t dare to tell you that Skyrim has to be more fun for you than Morrowind. At the same time you shouldn′t dare to tell me that Morrowind is more enjoyable than Skyrim, and that I′m simply wrong with my preferences.
People need to stop arguing about taste, which is simply impossible, and unproductive. There are NO measurable values in any of both games which could be compared to get to an objective statement, and even if there were, they wouldn′t matter at all.
It is about your PERSONAL preferences, and experiences.
After all, you wouldn′t discuss about the best colour, of the best food, would you?
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Post » Sun May 27, 2012 11:50 pm

Funny. I started with Daggerfall in 96 and yet I don't, under a delusional guise, expect Skyrim to be Daggerfall.

What's with the Morrowind people? Are they always mentally unstable or something?
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