[A Lo RIkIton'ton]

I've run the game 100+ hours without a single crash and without even using LAA.

You should really try checking if there's something conflicting with Skyrim before accusing Bethesda of being shoddy, greedy devs. Read this for example:

From Friday night through Sunday night I was experiencing relentless black screen reboot crashing behavior. Sometimes the game would do it after less than a minute in the world.

Very frustrating obviously.

Even more frustrating: solutions here that are trips down the rabbit hole. If you're having this crashing behavior, this is all too familiar: you think you've fixed it, you're playing and everything's great for an hour or two...and then blammo. Black screen, sound stutter/loops, reboot.

I spent most of Friday and Saturday convinced this was at first a CPU/GPU overheating issue. It is not. Speedfan logs on my CPU show it never going beyond 58 degrees C. GPU never got hotter than 71 degrees C with an un-tweaked vanilla install.

Yet still crashes.

So. Drivers. All of them. BIOS updates. Everything.

Still...no go. No permanent solution. Sometimes it'd seem promising and I'd get an hour in and think "I FIXED IT!" and then it'd crash and reboot again.

Last night I removed my soundcard from the system, and plugged an older pair of Turtle Beach surround headsets into the mainboard sound system. Cleaned the driver for the sound card out (Asus Xonar Xense card) of the system and registry. Ran the game for two hours last night. Rock solid stable. Used the FXAA Injector, tweaked the hell out of my .ini (ugrids to 7, grass on distant draws, shadow maps to 4096, the whole nine yards.) Ran it again. 3 and a half hours later, no crashes, no nothing. Today, just finished a third extended play session, this time for FOUR hours. No problems. No crashes. Nothing.

SO.

I obviously don't think everyone having the reboot crashes is using an Asus sound card...but I'd also say that some sort of sound conflict with some of the particular settings of various users is the culprit here. I really do. It's sound-related. The very first post in this thread was on the right track, I think.

The good news is that reading between the lines of the patch notes, you see that they're going to fix the bug with certain sound settings. I have faith that for many folks having this crash, the patch will fix it. I hope at least. If nothing else, start looking at your sound settings as a place to start troubleshooting your own crashes.

FINALLY:

I actually kept a log of everything I did when playing that induced-crash and reboot behavior on a legal pad. Every setting I touched, everything. And tonight just reviewing it, there's one other thing, one other common denominator to all my crashes. I hesitate to mention it because my rational brain says "No way in hell should this cause hard-lock reboot crashes", but I'll throw it out there just in case. In absolutely every single case where my game became unstable, right before the crashes started one of the things I did was to turn dialogue subtitles on. I know. I know. It *can't* be that. Just throwing it out there, because dammit when this happens to folks, the frustration is such that you'll try anything.

At any rate:

1. I fixed my problem by fiddling with my sound setup.
2. I know it's ridiculous, but maybe keeping subtitles off helps?
3. I think there's a puncher's chance that the patch on Wednesday--if indeed this crash and reboot is caused by sound problems--could fix this for everyone.

I hope some of that is helpful to someone!

Fixing issues isn't that simple, they can't just say "I'll fix this bug in a minute, you'll get the patch tomorrow". Replicating the CTD's isn't exactly the easiest thing and when you don't know what's causing it's harder to fix it. You can't seriosly expect them to fix all of the issues in 19 days.

EDIT: And on topic of BF3, I still get some crashes regularly, yet you don't hear me [censored]ing about DICE being greedy devs.

[Marquis deVille]

Bethesda hasn't been never so good to prevent/fixes bugs and to optimize games. So we can only hope that CK coming soon.

[Mariaa EM.]

I've run the game 100+ hours without a single crash and without even using LAA.

You should really try checking if there's something conflicting with Skyrim before accusing Bethesda of being shoddy, greedy devs. Read this for example:


Fixing issues isn't that simple, they can't just say "I'll fix this bug in a minute, you'll get the patch tomorrow". Replicating the CTD's isn't exactly the easiest thing and when you don't know what's causing it's harder to fix it. You can't seriosly expect them to fix all of the issues in 19 days.

EDIT: And on topic of BF3, I still get some crashes regularly, yet you don't hear me [censored]ing about DICE being greedy devs.

I tell you from my own experience in BF3.
Many problems were caused by the previous installation of the Open Beta.
I simply formatted everything and reinstalled drivers, Windows patches, and patches of BF3.
Do not worry you do not crash.
Well I tried it on 3 PCs, and the game crashes even after 3 hours of play (64 players multiplayer servers).
Check the temperature of the PC, and make a Memtest.
Returning to Skyrim.
With all the PC formatted, I still encounter bugs absurd.
EA gave us less time, and well-balanced multiplayer MANY things, including the CTD.
Simply, Bethesda has no excuse.

[TOYA toys]

Amen to that!!!

PS: I don't understand why the CK hasn't been released?? Presumably they used it to write the game so why the delay?

You know, I've been wondering this myself. If I recall, it's been awhile now, but I thought with Oblivion that the Construction Kit was released at the same time as the game, at least in North America. What's causing the delay?

[Eric Hayes]

Bethesda works on their own time, so i imagine it will be around 12pm EST.

[Chrissie Pillinger]

Amen to that!!!

PS: I don't understand why the CK hasn't been released?? Presumably they used it to write the game so why the delay?

Gotta make the interface more user friendly while also creating decent documentation.

[nath]

Ah come on guys, the patch notes mean nothing with Bethesda games.
There are always numerous undocumented changes in the patches.

Like the borked elemental resistances. Does the patch notes say anything about touching those? Well?
Or the infamous 1.5 patch for Fallout 3, which borked VATS and gave us numerous other issues, IIRC. Yet all the patch notes mentioned was some added achievements for DLC or such...

So in conclusion, expect much more from the patch, just not expect all of it being beneficial...

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

You know, I've been wondering this myself. If I recall, it's been awhile now, but I thought with Oblivion that the Construction Kit was released at the same time as the game, at least in North America. What's causing the delay?

We don't know because Bethesda refuses to speak with us. -.-

[Ebou Suso]

The memory bug is unlikely to ever be fixed: assuming it's the same one in Oblivion (which is not an unreasonable assumption, "new" engine and all) it's already years old. Even if it's not, they don't have a good track record of fixing bugs of this type. At least the LAA launcher seems to significantly ameliorate its effects.

[Christine Pane]

I learned now with Skyrim.

Will never buy a Bethesda game day one again.

Problem solved.

I'am sick of buying a [censored] alpha versions for 50 euro.

[jessica robson]

typical i remmber playing New Vegas it took to the evening to get dlc or the expanions on release date and about CK i bet it already done but there not releaseing it they are a professional game company it dont take long to get that ready its plain as day they favor the consoles . i have a 360 but i rather play on the pc and i pc gamers are the minority but if they lost the pc gaming industry the would lose money and us pc gamers are probly going have to wait until tonight for the patch 1.2 that how they work i bet xbox live has it all ready

[Svenja Hedrich]

Moaning bastards... Just wait a bit huh? I assume most of you bought Morrowind. Wasnt exactly the smoothest thing in the world. Nearly all games need patches, most need alot more than two. Its not even like you have to pay for the patches. Just play something else while it gets patched, its not like your really losing out that much.

"Oh noooees..... all my friends are completeing the game befores meeeeee"

Calm down, take your ritalin.

[Wane Peters]

6.37 PM in indonesia..LOL

wednesday almost gone,hahahha

[Cat Haines]

Bethesda needs to learn from a little software company called Unknown Worlds.
The best dev to customer feedback I've ever been involved in.
When companies get to big, what are they to good to talk to the average pleb customer who buys their stuff?

[Laura Samson]

this thread is ... its .... refreshing !

[jessica Villacis]

Calm down, take your ritalin.

Not allowed since my heart attack.

[Jeremy Kenney]

Maybe the CK has bugs too...

As far as the storm on the horizon, that's probably an understatement considering so many are so pissed that 1.2 doesn't address a huge list of now-known issues, so having it add new problems is going to go over real well.

Of course 1.2 was started and planned long before many bugs were actually uncovered but that seems to be skipped over in a lot of folks reasoning.

[Verity Hurding]

Presumably they will hotfix the resistances bug present on xbox and ps3 before rolling it out to PC.

As there is no validation required for PC/Steam updates they can do this pretty much instantly from my experience of Steam. (Once the fix is ready at least)
If they choose to make us wait due to not wanting to upset the xbox/ps3 users (who will presumably have to wait for another patch validation run) that will be a very poor move indeed.

Lets see what happens! :potentially-annoyed-vaultboy:

[james tait]

I tell you from my own experience in BF3.
Many problems were caused by the previous installation of the Open Beta.
I simply formatted everything and reinstalled drivers, Windows patches, and patches of BF3.
Do not worry you do not crash.
Well I tried it on 3 PCs, and the game crashes even after 3 hours of play (64 players multiplayer servers).
Check the temperature of the PC, and make a Memtest.
Returning to Skyrim.
With all the PC formatted, I still encounter bugs absurd.
EA gave us less time, and well-balanced multiplayer MANY things, including the CTD.
Simply, Bethesda has no excuse.

I never participated in the beta, and just re-downloaded it to a new partition, so it's not related to that so is it "crappy coding" then?

Bethesda excuse is that the game does run just as intended for a lot of people; 6 of my friends that have Skyrim on pc, only of them has experienced crashes and those disappeared after uninstalling the enbfixes. There's something more to these crashes than just a simple fault in the code, whether it's incompablities with hardware or something else, fixing it isn't something that you do in a matter of hours. It can take months to sort out most of the crashes and still there are bound to be some conflicts left. The sound fix already will help a lot of people and you should realize that the low framerate issue on PS3 with millions of user should take priority over CTD's some hunderds/thousands users have.

Still, you should try restoring your CPU to stock speed, using motherboard soundcard if you have an external one, updating your soundcard drivers, bios, disabling any driver tweaks, any external programs that might conflict with Skyrim. For example on my brand new computer, Fallout 3 simply didn't get past the loading screen even though it was patched to the latest version and newest drivers and everything. So instead of [censored]ing and accusing Bethesda of being crappy devs, I disabled everything that might cause a conflict and whaddya know, it started running perfectly. All along my ASUS Smartdoctor caused it to crash. Now it's something Bethesda simply couldn't have fixed if I just told that it wouldn't get past the loading screen, they can't simply make sure that game runs with every program that affects the game somehow. Same goes for Skyrim, I've clocked more than 100 hours with varying ini configs, a gig worth of texture mods and not a single problem, no scripting error, no purple texture even though I haven't even bothered using the LAA-exe. Only bug so far is the flickering mountains west of Whiterun. Bethesda has thousands of hours worth of QA clocked on Skyrim but it's hard to fix bugs that you don't encounter.

I understand your frustration not being able to play the best game released this year(Okay, that's just my opinion, but with more than hundred hours clocked in, I've been nothing but amazed by the game, simply years ahead of morro and oblivion), but try not to resort to flaming and instead try fixing the problems yourself or atleast maintain some patience and civility.

Thank you.

[sarah taylor]

Moaning bastards... Just wait a bit huh? I assume most of you bought Morrowind. Wasnt exactly the smoothest thing in the world. Nearly all games need patches, most need alot more than two. Its not even like you have to pay for the patches. Just play something else while it gets patched, its not like your really losing out that much.

"Oh noooees..... all my friends are completeing the game befores meeeeee"

Calm down, take your ritalin.

You make me laugh a lot xD
Guess, boy!
Because the game was released in November just horrible at this stage of beta?
Do you want refreshments ideas?
Well, I will have the patience to explain how things are.
You know what games are coming out to start 2012?
I'll give you 3 names: Diablo 3, Guildwars 2, Torchlight 2.
Bethesda wanted to make the bang of sales by releasing the game now, as it is (still in beta but sold at $ 50), not to compete directly with those three games.
Bethesda has succeeded in its purpose. But he did piss off many PC users.
Now tell me, old chap.
Do you know why I bought Skyrim? Simple.
I needed a game "hobby" before playing one of those 3 games.
Now what should I do? I expect them correct their game in 2 months? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! You're crazy full. seriously ...
I do not expect anything. I want to play now, or else had better not release Skyrim.
So I'd like to say that I'll play decent in February 2012?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bethesda has failed. Service for the timing of obscene fixes many problems.
And you Numidium187 ...
Before speaking, keep up to date before you say stupid things.
I hope I've explained what's going on marketing techniques adopted by this company
Will not have even $ 1 from me.
Unfortunately it is not a professional software house.

[Blessed DIVA]

I've run the game 100+ hours without a single crash and without even using LAA.

You should really try checking if there's something conflicting with Skyrim before accusing Bethesda of being shoddy, greedy devs. Read this for example:


Fixing issues isn't that simple, they can't just say "I'll fix this bug in a minute, you'll get the patch tomorrow". Replicating the CTD's isn't exactly the easiest thing and when you don't know what's causing it's harder to fix it. You can't seriosly expect them to fix all of the issues in 19 days.

EDIT: And on topic of BF3, I still get some crashes regularly, yet you don't hear me [censored]ing about DICE being greedy devs.

No, I don't expect them to fix the hundreds of issues in 19 days. I expect a "finished" game to NOT have hundreds of problems in the first place. I do expect a product I buy to WORK. If I buy a car and the back door sticks sometimes and eventually gets to the point that it won't open at all, it's not my fault and I have a right to be upset and expect it to get fixed - promptly. I fulfilled my end of the bargain by forking over my hard earned money, they need to fix their game they shouldn't have released before it was ready. I don't have problems like this with ANY other games, including Fallout 3. The sound card "example" you sited doesn't mean anything. They have acknowledged there is a sound problem in the game and why should we have to go through such drastic measures to get their game to run when every other game runs fine??? lol "Format your hdd", "uninstall your this or that" etc. etc. Are you people out of your minds?? NO. The game should work. Why would we go through all that when EVERY other game and program we have on the same computer runs fine??? There hasn't been a day go by that I haven't ctd several times while playing Skyrim. Happened all day today. Then, I get on WoW to raid and everything runs so smooth. I have played Wow every day for years and never had it crash like this. Same with my wife. Same with everyone I know that has the game - whether it be pc, xbox, or ps3. Problems, glitches, freezes, etc ad infinitum. A sound card? lol Maybe Beth should get on the horn and ask how EVERY other game studio manages to get their games to work so much better on people's systems that have those "rare" sound cards lol. I wonder why the person in your example didn't wonder why he/she never had to pull the sound card to play their other games? I can live with an occasional crash, but not several per gaming session and getting worse as time goes by. My pc is new and has the highest quality components - win7 pro, i7-950, evga gtx570, asus rampage mb, ocz vertex sdd, gskill ram, corsair power supply, etc. and it runs lean, no bloatware etc. Same with my wife's. My father runs a new Alienware. Despite this, all our games crash for no apparent reason. I play games every day on mine and have since last feb. NEVER, I'll say again, NEVER have I experience these kinds of problems. Not with steam games, not with non-steam games, not with any program whatsoever. So all you beth brown-nosers quit making people feel like it's their fault. How illogical is it to jump to the conclusion that a computer has a problem because Skyrim crashes for the majority of people, when they've NEVER had a problem with other games int he past??? How many pages is the CTD thread now? Exactly.

[Nymph]

its easier for them to patch the pc version than consoles because the game is actulay made on a computer they have to recode for consoles theres alot more bugs on consoles than pc thats why it takes so long for them to release stuff like CK or patches its pretty easy to upload patches to steam for pc but it takes awhile to upload to xbox live or playstation network so i bet they do the hard stuff first then they conenstae on the pc because its easy to fix pc versions

[Sophie Louise Edge]

I never participated in the beta, and just re-downloaded it to a new partition, so it's not related to that so is it "crappy coding" then?

Bethesda excuse is that the game does run just as intended for a lot of people; 6 of my friends that have Skyrim on pc, only of them has experienced crashes and those disappeared after uninstalling the enbfixes. There's something more to these crashes than just a simple fault in the code, whether it's incompablities with hardware or something else, fixing it isn't something that you do in a matter of hours. It can take months to sort out most of the crashes and still there are bound to be some conflicts left. The sound fix already will help a lot of people and you should realize that the low framerate issue on PS3 with millions of user should take priority over CTD's some hunderds/thousands users have.

Still, you should try restoring your CPU to stock speed, using motherboard soundcard if you have an external one, updating your soundcard drivers, bios, disabling any driver tweaks, any external programs that might conflict with Skyrim. For example on my brand new computer, Fallout 3 simply didn't get past the loading screen even though it was patched to the latest version and newest drivers and everything. So instead of [censored]ing and accusing Bethesda of being crappy devs, I disabled everything that might cause a conflict and whaddya know, it started running perfectly. All along my ASUS Smartdoctor caused it to crash. Now it's something Bethesda simply couldn't have fixed if I just told that it wouldn't get past the loading screen, they can't simply make sure that game runs with every program that affects the game somehow. Same goes for Skyrim, I've clocked more than 100 hours with varying ini configs, a gig worth of texture mods and not a single problem, no scripting error, no purple texture even though I haven't even bothered using the LAA-exe. Only bug so far is the flickering mountains west of Whiterun. Bethesda has thousands of hours worth of QA clocked on Skyrim but it's hard to fix bugs that you don't encounter.

I understand your frustration not being able to play the best game released this year(Okay, that's just my opinion, but with more than hundred hours clocked in, I've been nothing but amazed by the game, simply years ahead of morro and oblivion), but try not to resort to flaming and instead try fixing the problems yourself or atleast maintain some patience and civility.

Thank you.

So let's recap.
I formatted the PC.
Installed windows 7 64bit
Installed windows updates.
Installed the latest drivers (not alpha or beta drivers for maximum stability)
the anti-virus installed.
Installed steam.
Updated steam.
Skyrim installed.
Skyrim's update installed
TWEAK OR NO MOD INSTALLED.
The PC is not heavy overclocked and under load is a maximum at 45 ° C.
There is no dust.
For my configuration, you can read the signature.
Where do you think is the problem?
I repeat.
I have nothing against Bethesda.
I just want my $ 50 have served to make me play, and not to make me mad like hell.

[Chloe Lou]

Presumably they will hotfix the resistances bug present on xbox and ps3 before rolling it out to PC.

As there is no validation required for PC/Steam updates they can do this pretty much instantly from my experience of Steam. (Once the fix is ready at least)
If they choose to make us wait due to not wanting to upset the xbox/ps3 users (who will presumably have to wait for another patch validation run) that will be a very poor move indeed.

Lets see what happens! :potentially-annoyed-vaultboy:

The lack of certification for PC meant they were still testing the patch as of Monday, according to Gstaff.

So there's nothing to stop them from fixing the resistance issue before it goes out, even if it means releasing the patch a day or two later.

[Invasion's]

who cares where is the patch. It brings nothing to the table fixing hardly any bugs and has high probability of making your saves not to load.

I wouldn't wait for 1.2 patch at all if I was you ...