[Roberta Obrien]

I guess we will just have to wait for the modders to pick up the slack that the game cannot or will not do :/ .....at least we can mod the game though, kudos on that lol

[Princess Johnson]

Looking at threads that have started, the 1.2 patch somehow reduces magical resitances etc to zero for all creatures, NPC's and your character, even the ones your race has as in built.
PS3 and Xbox same , so they have screwed up the patch in any case.

[Sophie Payne]

I don't understand how Bethesda was even allowed to release this game without testing. These CTD's should have been fixed years ago. It's ridiculous how lazy they are at that company and they don't care about the people who bought the game either as everyone has noticed by the patchnotes of 1.2.
Any _REAL_ company would not have released the game as Skyrim is unless they called it alpha OR made HOTFIXES that would be applied at max 1 week after release. That some of the sidequests are not working as intented I couldn't care less about it.. atleast I can force the quest to move onto next stage or remove an item that is stuck in my inventory with commands.. 3 weeks work and they come out with nothing major, pathetic!

That's what I feel about 1.2 patch! a BIG f***ing joke

[Shianne Donato]

Now don't take this as me defending Bethesda, my 70hr character on the 360 is basically stuck now, as I can't talk to any NPCs without the game freezing/locking up requiring 360 reset (and this was before the 1.2 patch). But threads full of people raging, saying they will boycott future games and so on isn't going to accomplish anything.
You need to outline the problems you've personally been having, with details of your game save sizes, hours played etc so that someone working on future patches knows what to focus on, can see commonalities etc.

[dell]

Moaning bastards... Just wait a bit huh? I assume most of you bought Morrowind. Wasnt exactly the smoothest thing in the world. Nearly all games need patches, most need alot more than two. Its not even like you have to pay for the patches. Just play something else while it gets patched, its not like your really losing out that much.

"Oh noooees..... all my friends are completeing the game befores meeeeee"

Calm down, take your ritalin.

Why do people equate "Ritalin" with "calm?" It's methylphenidate, a stimulant.

/pedant /derail

[Setal Vara]

My morrowind pc is long in the grave, and rusts in pieces, so I can't go back to it, but even modded I don't recall any frequent crashes. Maybe an occasional one. Had MW and all addons.
My oblivion install has ~~220 or so mods, and runs all day without a problem.
Fallout 3 was on xbox so I can't comment there.

Can you honestly say with 100% certainty that you may not have some sort of pc problem that could be aggravating things?

Of course I can't say that, but the common refrain of "it's your PC" that I've seen on these forums is not especially helpful: please excuse me for being tetchy, but I've seen that response far too often for things that are verifiably software problems. The problems with crashing are very widely reported, and Bloodmoon in particular has acquired a fair degree of notoriety for it; Oblivion was also infamous for its instability. Granted, not everybody has problems, but a great deal of players do, certainly too many to be simply written off as hardware problems. I understand that Oblivion's memory management routines have been examined by those with a great deal of knowledge of their specialist subject and found to be quite seriously problematic, to the point where they weren't amenable to being fixed with some technical wizardry, which was a rather revealing glimpse of what's happening "under the covers".

I'm happy for you if you find your games run without problems, but that doesn't give you the right to automatically dismiss everyone else's experience as lacking credibility.

[Quick Draw]

Errrm, are you saying that having more than 4GB on their system is causing problems? I am running Windows 7, 64-bit with 9GB of RAM and have had no problems with Skyrim in 60+ hours of play.

You running the 4gb launcher?

Let me clarify a bit, are you running it like you are suppose to through Steam and the splashscreen? And are you running version 1.1 with absolutely no mods?

[stacy hamilton]

you know they HAD to deliver on 11.11.11. that's pretty stupid if you know how software design development works.

well i guess beth is either full of noobs or over confident.

... or don't care, which I suspect is closer to the mark.

Why do people equate "Ritalin" with "calm?" It's methylphenidate, a stimulant.

/pedant /derail

Actually, stimulants do calm people who have concentration problems: though it's rather counter-intuitive, it does actually work, as I have experienced myself. Perhaps significantly, sedatives also have the opposite effect to what might be expected and cause increasingly severe agitation.

[neen]

SNIP

Hear, hear. As far as I'm concerned, just release the freaking editor and let US fix the damn game, then Bethesda can spend all their resources doing what they really want to be doing: fixing their beloved Xbox version.

So if they haven't spent these last three weeks fixing bugs, and if they haven't spent these last three weeks preparing the CS, what HAVE they been doing? Did the entire team of ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE get a three week all expense paid vacation to Hawaii courtesy of Zenimax as congratulations for the release of their buggy pre-beta fiasco?

Finish the job before you start celebrating, Bethesda. 11-11-11 has come and gone, but the job's far from finished.

[djimi]

My morrowind pc is long in the grave, and rusts in pieces, so I can't go back to it, but even modded I don't recall any frequent crashes. Maybe an occasional one. Had MW and all addons.
My oblivion install has ~~220 or so mods, and runs all day without a problem.
Fallout 3 was on xbox so I can't comment there.

Can you honestly say with 100% certainty that you may not have some sort of pc problem that could be aggravating things?

At least in Morrowind and Oblivion's case, especially where mods are involved, I've always looked at those games as some sort of Jenga game. You have to be very careful about what bits you add or subtract in case the entire thing decides to come crashing down. TNT / Russian Roulette metaphors may also apply.

Morrowind (vanilla or modded) used to crash with alarming regularity on my old XP machine. With the wrong mod added in, it would crash in some instances on my Windows 7 machine, too. Vanilla Oblivion would tank repeatedly too. Nowadays I can get both MW and Oblivion working with very infrequent crashes (even with 150+ mods tossed into the mix), but it takes a lot of time and effort. And lots of luck.

That said, straight out of the box I practically expect a TES game to have bugs coming out its ears, and to CTD 1 out of every 2 play sessions at least. It sort of comes with the territory.

One thing that routinely disappoints me with TES patches, though, is the vague whiff of "well, modders will fix it" I've been getting since Oblivion. Yes, stamping out every last little bug in a game as big as Oblivion or Skyrim is a Sisyphean task, but...there are some things that went unfixed (*cough* A-Bomb *cough*) until modders got hold of it that should have been addressed by the devs. Period. Skyrim seems to be heading the same direction--we'll see what later patches bring--and that disappoints me, too.

On the other hand, if the 1.2 patch is any indication of the quality fixes we can expect...maybe Bethesda should just let the modders fix it. Release the CK and I'll bet you we have an Unofficial Skyrim Patch within a week. And it probably won't make dragons fly backwards, either.

[Gavin Roberts]

... or don't care, which I suspect is closer to the mark.


Actually, stimulants do calm people who have concentration problems: though it's rather counter-intuitive, it does actually work, as I have experienced myself. Perhaps significantly, sedatives also have the opposite effect to what might be expected and cause increasingly severe agitation.

I know Ritalin is often used to treat narcolepsy. It would have to be a stimulant.

[Laura Mclean]

Not to be an a-hole, but there are over 500k users on steam with this game with a very small percentage of people on the forums with issues. Let’s say there are 5000 individual users total (which is a very high guess) with issues that would be 1% yes 1% of the total PC player base.

I like many others have 80+ hours on my level 41 Thief with 1 crash that I couldn’t recreate after loading a save. Now that I have said that I have a second copy on my sons PC that crashes every 15 minutes, so I spent a few days troubleshooting and also found it to be bad sound card/driver compatibility. I dug out my old SB Audigy and installed it after removing the onboard drivers and he has been playing crash free since Sunday.

All these people saying they formatted there PC’s and installed from scratch doesn’t mean crap if the stuff you are installing is causing the issues to begin with.

Bethesda is not going to fix something they cannot recreate with 1000’s of DXdiags and even uploaded save games. If their in house QA cannot recreate it and 495k players aren’t having issues with it then its not a game bug, no matter how many incoherent rage posts by a handful of users.

[Antonio Gigliotta]

I know Ritalin is often used to treat narcolepsy. It would have to be a stimulant.

Its effects largely depend on the individual and the problem being treated.

[Lizs]

Moaning bastards... Just wait a bit huh? I assume most of you bought Morrowind. Wasnt exactly the smoothest thing in the world. Nearly all games need patches, most need alot more than two. Its not even like you have to pay for the patches. Just play something else while it gets patched, its not like your really losing out that much.

"Oh noooees..... all my friends are completeing the game befores meeeeee"

Calm down, take your ritalin.

Yes... agree to a point. It's people that think like you, that say it's OK, that propagate this bullcrap.

Games don't HAVE to be released this way. It is usually publishers that create problems like this. In this case, the game wasn't ready to go, but a date of 11.11.11 sure sounds cool, so lets release the game... it's GOOD ENOUGH. Next time I buy I car, I'll just buy one that's GOOD ENOUGH. If you got a car without seats in it, I bet you wouldn't buy it would you?

You are a consumer and therefor are entitled to a finished product when you purchase it. BUT, in the United States there are no laws that give buyers of software any type of recourse or recompense. In the EU there's actually laws that consider software a product and if consumers are not happy with their product, they can take action to get a refund. In the US... forget it.

In my opinion it's utter horsecrap that people fall into this "It's Normal" routine. It is NOT normal. It is TOTALLY preventable. It's all just an issue with marketing and scheduling. That is it.

Not to be an a-hole, but there are over 500k users on steam with this game with a very small percentage of people on the forums with issues. Let’s say there are 5000 individual users total (which is a very high guess) with issues that would be 1% yes 1% of the total PC player base.
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As far as that comment, I disagree. We don't know the true numbers at all. Just because there's people on Steam doesn't mean they haven't got problems. I have an extensive list of friends on Steam, and I see just about all of them on Skyrim for about 5 mins, log off skyrim, get back in, log off, get in, off... etc... I decided to contact one of them and asked him if he had crashes and he said he was CTDing constantly. He didn't visit the forums, on Steam or here. I checked with my other friends... none of them went to the forums either to find out why they're crashing.

In this case, the LAA fix worked for ALL of my friends. No more CTD when fast traveling. No more CTD when in the inventories of the character/chests/bodies/etc. The list goes on. But that's neither here nor there. I believe it is a fallacious comment to make that ONLY people with problems come and visit the forum. There's a huge percentage that DON'T visit forums. My father for example, plays games at 60 y/o. HE doesn't visit forums. He'll just stop playing the game if it causes to many problems and he won't purchase from that company ever again. Simple as that. I usually do the same if problems aren't fixable, but I usually visit forums to find resolutions.

I think all of this goes back to my comment above. People need to stop accepting "problems" as a normality. It is a product and you are a consumer. You should make a statement with your wallet.

[Arrogant SId]

I like many others have 80+ hours on my level 41 Thief with 1 crash that I couldn’t recreate after loading a save. Now that I have said that I have a second copy on my sons PC that crashes every 15 minutes, so I spent a few days troubleshooting and also found it to be bad sound card/driver compatibility. I dug out my old SB Audigy and installed it after removing the onboard drivers and he has been playing crash free since Sunday.

All these people saying they formatted there PC’s and installed from scratch doesn’t mean crap if the stuff you are installing is causing the issues to begin with.

Bethesda is not going to fix something they cannot recreate with 1000’s of DXdiags and even uploaded save games. If their in house QA cannot recreate it and 495k players aren’t having issues with it then its not a game bug, no matter how many incoherent rage posts by a handful of users.

I had a level 28 dual-wield head-on warrior that I lost when I let my new system do a bios update. I didn't catch that it had reset my SATA controller from RAID mode to IDE mode until a couple days later after my entire volume was corrupt (Except Windows 7 which protected its core nicely LOL, too bad any user installed drivers were fubar). I had to format. There was no way I was trusting data from that volume - it was massively corrupt. Re stability: Without 4GB Skyrim, I crash about every half hour - with it, I'm good all day. Is it a Skyrim problem? I don't know that. It could very well be my pc. There are SO many variables. TBH, I'm too busy enjoying Skyrim to quibble.

@Thokor:

Spoiler

With a 41 thief, you should visit Shearpoint if you haven't already - be ready for a fight.

[D LOpez]

As far as that comment, I disagree. We don't know the true numbers at all. Just because there's people on Steam doesn't mean they haven't got problems. I have an extensive list of friends on Steam, and I see just about all of them on Skyrim for about 5 mins, log off skyrim, get back in, log off, get in, off... etc... I decided to contact one of them and asked him if he had crashes and he said he was CTDing constantly. He didn't visit the forums, on Steam or here. I checked with my other friends... none of them went to the forums either to find out why they're crashing.

In this case, the LAA fix worked for ALL of my friends. No more CTD when fast traveling. No more CTD when in the inventories of the character/chests/bodies/etc. The list goes on. But that's neither here nor there. I believe it is a fallacious comment to make that ONLY people with problems come and visit the forum. There's a huge percentage that DON'T visit forums. My father for example, plays games at 60 y/o. HE doesn't visit forums. He'll just stop playing the game if it causes to many problems and he won't purchase from that company ever again. Simple as that. I usually do the same if problems aren't fixable, but I usually visit forums to find resolutions.

On a counter point I have an entire WOW - LOTR - SWOTR guild of 53 people that I am on Vent with daily who all have skyrim and not a single gripe or complaint yet. At one point there were 23 of us in the same room all chatting about where we were in the game and I commented "crap my sons game just crashed again" and pretty much every comment was " thats weird I have been playing X hours with no issues". This is what lead me to troubleshoot his PC and not the game.

[Amy Melissa]

I'm on the PC and I keep seeing all these post about how the 1.2 patch broke this or that.

Well since I'm sure I'll be playing tonight I can assume STEAM will patch my game first, which I generally wouldn't have a problem with. However if there are problems with it I would really like to know what the known patch bugs are.

Honestly I didn't see the patch fixing anything I had any problems with so I was hoping the patch would affect me at all. Well, I take that back, I was hoping the patch would actually fix some of the quest bugs, item bugs, etc. that I keep finding. Maybe next time.

Thanks!

[marie breen]

Like I posted last night...

Every single Bethesda game has some bugs that were missed and for a small group of people crashes to desktop. And then every single time people expect it all to be fixed in the first patch, the second patch, and on and on and on. It's like watching the same movie over and over, you know exactly how it will play out every time.

These games are huge and intricate, quest bugs especially are going to be missed. This engine is kind of spazy, it will crash to desktop if you have a cluttered PC or even just by random chance. It's going to happen, it's happened every game since Morrowind, you guys need to stop acting like you're shocked or offended. Don't like it? Stop buying.

[lydia nekongo]

Excellent! This Patch 1.2 promises the most useless of all, it seems ... GZ Bethesda! -.-
No stutter fix,no CTD fix, no fps drop fixes, no shadows fix, no quests fixes ... you can know what the hell have you done in 2 weeks?
When you think of people prepared to take, instead of some hamsters who know how to edit INI files passing off their work as a patch?
It's been 19 days and still have not solved NOTHING.
Stop it to count the money in profits, and try to help us.
Forgive my arrogance, but I can not stand ... Paying for a game on day 1, and wait for almost 1 month (at best) to make it playable
I start to get angry and impatient ... seriously

All we paid $ 50 for a damn beta!
Let's take an example:

And as if I sell to Bethesda Software to program games, absolutely incomplete, it crashes every 10 minutes, rendering frighteningly slow LIMITED TO CORES 2, and using only 2GB of RAM.
I do not care if they have bought a lot of PC 8 core with 16GB of ram. These are my terms. If you're not well, I do not care. Meanwhile, I am manufacturer of the software you used, I pocketed the money. Wait at least 19 days, waiting for some kind soul will help. WITHOUT WARRANTIES.

You developers/manufacturers/programmers who keep making yourselves known need to just stop because it's not impressing anyone here and it's not like you can do anything for the game anyhow.

And I just have to ask myself...WHY WOULD I WANT SKYRIM TO USE ALL SIX OF MY CORES? Seriously you act as if, it's supposed to be this great, much needed thing that a game to be designed to hog every last bit of a PC's resource.

[Bigze Stacks]

1) You can tell Steam not to update the game anytime you like. Just right click the game, properties, updates and change the setting.

2) We don't know what the bugs are yet for the PC patch, it's not out yet.

[stephanie eastwood]

On a counter point I have an entire WOW - LOTR - SWOTR guild of 53 people that I am on Vent with daily who all have skyrim and not a single gripe or complaint yet. At one point there was 23 of us in the same room all chatting about where we were in the game and I commented "crap my sons game just crashed again" and pretty much every comment was " thats weird I haev been playing X hours with no issues". This is what lead me to trouble shooting his PC and not the game.

I agree. Probably a lot of the issues are hardware/software based, whether people overclock or have pre-overclocked systems.

I'm just saying that the assumption that only people with problems come to forums is a fallacy. You could say A LOT don't... but there's no real numbers there either, so it's all just guesses.

[Kit Marsden]

Well I assumed if it's the same patch that whatever got broke for the PS3 would break for the PC also. No?

[Leonie Connor]

1) You can tell Steam not to update the game anytime you like. Just right click the game, properties, updates and change the setting.

2) We don't know what the bugs are yet for the PC patch, it's not out yet.

I actually had that set, but for some reason it keeps flipping it back to "Automatically Update" after a reboot. Sometimes I hate Steam.

[Yvonne Gruening]

I actually had that set, but for some reason it keeps flipping it back to "Automatically Update" after a reboot. Sometimes I hate Steam.

Hmm, yes I've just seen the same thing. Tricky.

[Chloe Mayo]

my steam doesn't update my skyrim to the latest version. when i boot my game it still v1.1 not 1.2