This. This exactly.

The thing is any in-game event that is not decided by Bethesda or as you put it saying "hey it's him" is a fair game for us to decide what happened.

The first time I went through yeah. Before I could go back in, cause I got wrapped up in other things in game, my harddrive failed. I re-downloaded it later and the character I made on the new hardrive did. But the first character made the coice to leave. He didn't go back, heve never even went farther than that room, and that elder scroll will always see it that way.

Oh, my apologies then, I thought that you're saying that CoC is definitely Sheogorath.

that is true they always get final say.is there a way u can email the lore masters this question? theyd probably laugh "oh we got them good this time! i wonder what we can get them wit next!!!" lol "oh i know is the dragon born the new talos?? "yeah" says loremaster #1 "lets use that."

They've made hints at it that could be seen that way, and I did see them that way cause did most things in Oblivion, but what I'm trying to say is that those hints were meant to be able to be seen as hints by the informed person and ramblings by an uninformed person. I know Beth has final word, but they haven't said anything yet, so it's up to the individual to decide. His CoC bacame Sheo, My CoC became Sheo, but person X's CoC may not have become Sheo. They didn't put those hints in to abrubtly say they are the same person, but to tell people who did become Sheo that it would be you if you made that choice.

Lore masters can be found on this board.

Ambiguity is a basic tenet of TES lore.
We can say events happened with varying degrees of certainty, we can talk about likelyhood and possibility, but there is almost nothing set in stone.
In absence of definitive proof that the current madgod is the CoC, it is unwise to talk about this as a fact.

Exactly. The exact details of the on the spot decisions of the heros may never be known. Saying you know the truth because it's what YOU did is like saying Reman Cyrodiil walked on the right side of the road when he marched to battles just because that's what I think.

Exactly, I hope that this has settle it.

but... you guys are the ones saying that because you chose not to do the Sheogorath quest, it isn't canonically him. Elsewhere we have Bethesda all but screaming in our ears with the heaviest of hints and suggestions. Regardless of what the player chose, Bethesda decides what happened.

No, Bethesda is screaming in ours ears that they know Sheogorath played a big part in most of our player's games so let's drop som hints for them to figure out if they want him to actually be the CoC, but let's make them sound crazy so no one feels left out.

We mean that currently as Bethesda hasn't verified it, CoC is not canonically Sheo, but if at one point Bethesda said so then so be it.

If you want the CoC to be Sheogorath, he is. In the same way if you don't want him to be, he isn't. It's an RPG, whatever happens it what you want to happen.

This. and by Canonically we don't mean that it can't be true, but that there is no solid proof that it is this way for all players

What part does Sheogorath play in Oblivion outside of his Deadric Shrine, the Imp Staff, and Shivering Isles?

No, youre the only one who says that.
And then you pretend it is something I said.

In actual fact, the only thing I have done is point out that lack of proof means you cant talk about certainty.

SI was a big thing for most people who did it. He definetly played a much larger role then any other of the gods. We even got to meet him (if we wanted to).

I actually misread the previous post of yours that I quoted. Apologies. I was really confused.

Personally I just don't like that whole "His CoC, my CoC, this other person's CoC" business. Because there is a set version, it just hasn't been released with absolute certainty yet, (if it ever will.)

I noticed it looked weird, but I didn't want to write it all out a bunch of times.

Agreed. The game gives you free reign to do what you like, but at the end of the day Bethesda has a continuity to uphold.

Bethesda very clearly intertwines their canon with the explicit fact that you are playing an RPG. This is the entire basis for the series. The Elder Scrolls are indeed what we as players make them.

There really is no "continuity" to Sheo in a sense of Lore. It became irrelevent after awhile because if the CoC did become Sheo because he/she become the exact same thing. I doubt Sheogorath will ever play a large role in a TES game again. The hints were Beth's way of saying we know that if your Champion of Cyrodiil became Sheogorath you want it to be mentioned, so we did, but not everyone did, so we aren't going to say that it's a solid fact. Like I have said countless times before, the hints are a if / if not kind of thing.

It would be a huge disservice for Bethesda to have put out Shivering Isles just to say, "Well, this didn't happen." or, "It was some nameless npc, not the Champion of Cyrodiil." Letting people get invested in a story just to rip it away from them is a terrible decision.

So much so in fact that it'd be a bad business move. I'd definitely think twice about purchasing future expansions.


It most certainly doesn't matter what you, or I, or she did with their specific characters. Story is story and continuity is continuity. If it isn't kept, the story falls apart. For instance every Nerevarine I played was an Orc. I'm certain the very idea of a non Dunmer Nerevarine is abhorrent to most players. And I'm certain if Todd looked at my character he'd think, "That's wrong."

And I've long since accepted that. The story moves on without you, the player. It's impossible to please everyone who buys the games and expansions. The only logical course is that events happen and if they're referenced to, they're canon.

But they're not saying that. In fact, no one is. People are only stating that it could have happened, or not. That's the whole point.