Who else but the CoC was there for every single one of the events Sheogorath lists? I'd also like screenshots wherein this character is present.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/468612597616391389/94D447B503DC5ADF04013CAC79A37062792B7A24/



You are more than free to imagine it being someone else, but to outright deny it was the CoC is another beast entirely.

The main quest is actually a prophecy, so that's the only thing that we can sure of. It's like what Arngeir said at the end of Skyrim. You fulfill your destiny, whatever else you do is up to you. You're not destined to complete every single quest in the entire game (though you certainly can). You're not destined to be an Imperial, or a Stormcloak, or neutral, you still have some free will outside your destiny.

Hell, it could've even been Baurus if he survived it all. He was there. He experienced everything the Skyrim Sheo said he did.

so true how could i forget.

Baurus was there for the Grey Fox? The Order of Virtuous Blood? And the Dark Brotherhood member's decapitated mother?

We aren't saying it couldn't have been the CoC, but it isn't for everybody. My second character never even went to the portal, let alone went through it. If Id ecided to do a playthrough of Skyrim wehre my second CoC is in my canon, then I would not think she became Sheogorath.

We know that lore-wise only the main quest should be seen as actions of the titular hero.
Everything else are events that may or may not have happened, but you cant say they are events that are accomplished by the hero.
For instance in Morrowind, ultimately it does not matter what the hero does with the fighters guild - thieves guild tensions, as canon history dictates that the Camonna Tong wiped the thieves guild off the map.

There is absolutely no reason to assume all events in a game happened by agency of the titular hero.

There is a trend going on where people increasingly are insisting on declaring one thing or the other canon or non canon, but TES lore simply does not work that way.
When thinking about events in TES history a certain degree of ambiguity is paramount.
Even in-game sources regularly directly contradict each other.

You can talk in terms of likelyhood and probability, almost never certainty.

If you take those hints seriously then you need to go to EVERYTHING Sheo said in SI and find the secret "hint" behind it.

The Sheogorath says butterflies, so what? There's plenty butterflies in the wild doesn't have to be the entrance to shivering isle, A fox, so what? He didn't say the gray fox, a fox is a common animal, A severed head, it doesn't have to mean the DB quest.

He says that he was present on Oblivion Crisis many people was present in oblivion crisis, Martin is the greatest septim, many people seems to consider so, not just the CoC

Everyone who accepted the invitation saw the butterflies.
Anyone who went anywhere in SI saw blood. Same for a severed head.
Anyone who completed the quest would have heard Sheogorath say "Cheese for everyone!"
That just leaves the fox. And there are lots of foxes, but this is uppercase, and likely the Grey Fox. But everyone's heard of the Grey Fox - he never said they were one in the same.

We don't know more about Sheogorath than anyone in SI knows about Arden Sul.

Do you also decide if Pelinal Whitestrake is the Divine Crusader?


Except that Bethesda wrote this because everyone was so angry over the CoC being little more than Martin's flunky. This was the CoC's big thing.

That's a fallacy if I ever saw one. In oblivion, ther ewas little to nothing for Sheogorath to reflect back on. In Skyrim, there's quite a lot.

Exactly, the Gray Fox was famous and mentioned all throughout the Oblivion Crisis. Everyone knew about him.

Surely, but YOU were there for all these events. So you are infact capable of providing proof of other people's presence at them. But there's no other one person who is there for every one of these events.

No, my friend, Sheo has been around for a HELL of a lot longer time then the events of the FIRST Elder Scrolls game, and he even played a part in that. He's been in EVERY main TES game if I do remember correctly.

there were other adventures that went through the portal but they all went crazy. remember when u went to that place (forgot the name of it) to kill off those adventures in a different way. to watch them suffer? go cazy?. plus u remade the guardian of the gate so no one else could come in. cause the guardian would kill them if they tried to enter.and u were doing quests for the old sheogorath when the gate was open. he gave u the power. i doubt the CoC gave that up. plus what mortal of that timeframe could kill the new mad god? none i know of they would go crazy before they touched him. he could watch over his whole realm like a giant eye. so its unlikely anyone else became sheo. just throwing that out there.

That is a complete unknown. You made that up.
There are hundreds of thousands of people in Cyrodiil, most of whom are not represented in the game Oblivion.
It is a mistake to think of the game as the world, the game is downscaled significantly.

Such as what? We already know that Daedra are not all seeing. Were this the case, Mehrunes Dagon wouldn't have needed to strike every city in order to capture Martin. He could send a sneak thief in the night with a dagger and slit his throat.



How is it unknown and how did I make it up? You're taking events from a game and utterly saying "nope didn't happen."

No, but Pelinal Whitesrake is not our character it's not up to us, but the CoC is our character and thus we decide what he is, that's why it's rpg.

No. CoC is not sheogorath because it isn't canon. /thread.

Sheogorath is the sentient cheese.

Seriously though, im in the CoC= sheogorath club.

There is NO way to PROVE that he talking about ANYTHING the UESP says he is, except the Gray Fox, but I already said everyone knew about him.

Those lines are there for those who did participate in those events, but can also be interpreted to be the ramblings of a madgod. That's why they are so ambiguos.

I'm not saying they're "all-seeing", but if you think threre is meaning behind his ramblings, then you need to look back on the MASSIVE life Sheo has lived and find the meaning of all his ramblings in SI.

/Thead

They're ambiguous to fit character, but poignant and on topic to everything the CoC has done. It's like you're refusing to see the links saying, "Well this could have not happened." But it did happen. Did your world get utterly flipped when Bethesda wrote that the Nerevarine left Morrowind and went to Akavir? Because I certainly didn't decide that my Orc did that.

That is purpously moving my position into the ridiculous by implying it means something I never said.
Thanks for that.

No-one says these events did not happen.
You are the one who is taking an unknown here and moulding it into what you want it to be, not me.

Show me one shred of proof of your point of view.
You cant, because there isnt any.
You cannot say for certain the CoC became the madgod.
To do so is to go against the basic tenets of TES lore.