me and my girl friend got into an arguement about this thirty min. ago.s he doesnt think the CoC is the sheogorath in skyrim. i told her that he is cause he talks about things that only the CoC would know.past adventures, watching martin become avatar akatosh etc.she said that he only took up the mantle of mad god not become the mad god. i said its been two hundred years and the shivering isles is the old sheogorath home. it grew on him changed him into the sheo u see in skyrim. she said thats the old sheo from oblivion. i was like no the old sheogorath is jygalaag(however u spell it?)either way the coc is the sheogorath of skyrim. just tired of people saying he isnt. thoughts? probably been a thread about it before but after getting out of a arguement about it i gotta see wat the people think.even though i know im right lol.

Unless it is confirmed by Bethesda, we cannot say he is. To me, I see it as Sheogorath is a Daedric Prince capable of watching all aspects of the mortal realm when he pleases which would allow him to see what happened to the CoC. Nothing he says actually implies anything of the sort that they are the same. Provide 100% proof and maybe I'll believe it, but until such a time I say its player choice whether they are the same or not.

It's
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hero

Scroll down to the The Hero of Oblivion, your answer lay there.

was talked about in this thread as well http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1380877-shrine-of-jyggalag/page__hl__shrine


below is part of a quote taken from Jyggalag so yes I would say coc is Sheogorath in skyrim






"The other Princes, fearful of my power, cursed me with Madness, doomed me to live as Sheogorath, a broken soul reigning in a broken land. Once each era, I was allowed my true form, conquering this world anew. And each time I did, the curse was renewed, damning me to exist as Sheogorath. Now, though, you have ended the cycle. You now hold the mantle of madness, and Jyggalag is free to roam the voids of Oblivion once more. I will take my leave, and you will remain here, mortal. Mortal...? King? God? It seems uncertain. This Realm is yours. Perhaps you will grow to your station. Fare thee well, Sheogorath, Prince of Madness. " ~~ Jyggalag

I imagine you got to watch his realm for a while, but eventually the real Sheogorath would return. Just like he and Jyggalag switched.

i wish u could have seen the look on her face when she read it.thank u my friend for letting me see something priceless. lmao

I take payment in the form of digital high fives.

the thing is that sheogorath seems to know Pelagius 3 when he lived, and he lived way before the champion of cyrodill

This is something I vehemently disagree with.
I have pointed out my objections to the people of the UESP but they value their own fan-opinions over actual fact.
This is why the UESP should never be used for lore, they are biased.

The fact is that there is no proof that states with 100% certainty that the CoC became Sheogorath.
You can say it is the most likely outcome, but you cant say that it is a fact, because for something to be a fact there must be proof.
And there isnt any. There are hints and there is conjecture.

CoC IS Sheogorath.

oh yes digital high fives!!! digital high fives all around lol

Sheogorath is a Madgod. I would assume that after the hero took up the mantle of madness his mind became twisted. He might even think he is the oryginal one. Who knows, maybe that part of Jyggalag that was Sheogorath merged with him.

No.
There is no proof that the CoC is Sheogorath.
And I have looked for it.

I'm not stating it as fact. It is heavily implied that the CoC became Sheogorath and that is good enough for me. That outcome is certainly more likely than than the alternative (in my opinion).

Depends on your view, if you beleive that CoC is Sheogorah then yes, he is. If you believe that he isn't than he isn't and the fact that he says things that only CoC can know can be just random gibberish, or he watch the CoC and thus, know about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k7K1FAuXgL4#t=276s

I said this a few days ago, but you can't really say the CoC is Sheogorath unless you also say CoC is Listen of the Dark Brotherhood, Grey Fox, Arch Mage, and Guildmaster of the Fighter's Guild. And the Divine Crusader. Which means CoC is someone who according to lore, completed every singe quest. Which simply isn't true for most people, especially RPers who make good or evil characters.

The only truth is that all of those events happened. Those guild lines, and becoming Sheogorath. If you played a pure good guy who didn't become Sheogorath and promote torture, then it's not CoC. Someone else during that era might have wandered in and became Sheogorath.

And wasn't Sheo's point during the game to have you stop the Greymarch, ending the curse the other princes set on him and ending his life as Sheogorath and permanantly becoming Jyggalag, leaving you to take the place as the Madgod because no one held the throne. Wan't the whole point of the main story of SI to train you to BE Sheogorath? IF that's not proof enough then the only thing thatill convince this that guy is Todd himself straight up saying it, and he never will.

The page seems to take as fact that the hero of Oblivion completed all quests, all expansions and became head of all guilds.
This is simply not how TES lore works.
If anything, only the main quest and directly related content should be seen as something that is 100% certain the hero did.
The ambiguity that is a staple of TES storytelling is fully missing in that awful UESP description.

I agree that it is likely and plausible, but not that it is certain.

Well, yeah, but I'd rather that it will never be confirmed.

They don't mean to be biased, but for the whole thing they have going there, they need to have had the CoC go through everything because they have to supply information for every little bit of the game. They need to say that the CoC did everything in order to tell the outcome of every quest, because if he didn't thenhow ould they kno that's what happened?

the CoC mantled the title of madgod, he did the same as tiber did with shor and he became the madgod

Jyggalag isn't mentioned anywhere expect in Shivering Isles, so i keep my interpretation that the CoC just ate something that disagreed with him (That is, it didn't really happen )

Wrong. Mehrunes Dagon didn't have the power to see Martin before Martin let himself be known.

Well, he at least was at some point, right? All things considered.