My CoC is not sheogorath and that all there is to it.

Except Bethesda didn't say that CoC is Sheogorath. Not definitely anyway.

Bethesda makes choices for the main character. This isn't something that's new.

To further expand on this, the Nerevarine chose not to help his people when the Argonians turned the tide after Red Mountain blew. I've read theories that this was due in part to Azura's incredible taste in revenge. I can't really comment on that part.

I just did. Everything else he mentions in that sentence can be encountered by someone else who successfully completed the SI main quest. Which was again, only accessible to people during the Oblivion Crisis, and during the time there were Grey Fox posters splattered everywhere.

Its like saying the CoC is the fighters guild master, arch-mage and the gray fox. only the main quest and books are canon, everything else is optional and not for certain. i'm no lore expert but this is obvious.

THey did happen. We've said that multiple times. But OUR characters might not have been the one to do it. The canon stated in the game are the ONLY things that can be proven. Th erest is up for us to decide. If you want the CoC to be the Sheo, then go ahead and say his is, I RP as them being the same too. But the character I consider to be canon wasn't Listener, The Gray Fox, or master of the Mages Guild, so in my game he wasn't. He/she will be in other peoples games, but not mine. Go learn the concept of what the elder scrolls reallly are so this will make sense to you. My elder scroll reads diferently than mine. And there are others that read differntly than both of ours. I am the scribe of my elder scroll and you the scribe of yours. Martin himself says that he cannot know your future, because you are the scribe the scroll, not him.

ok i just got off the phone wit todd and he said yeah sheo is the CoC. he also gave me info on the next DLC. something about cliff racer revenge. lol but seriously sheo is the champ. IMO

This I believe sums it up.

but lore wise he pretty much is. saying your character is not sheogorath cause u didnt play the expansion. is like saying the neverine didnt kill alamexia cause u didnt play mournhold. so alamexia is still somewhere in mournhold and the tribunal is all but destroyed. yeah and im the king of england

But Beth hasn't said that the CoC is Sheo. Like I said before, whatever we think is completley pointless if Beth decides other wise cause they made it all. But they leave in game events for us to decide. They will never say that The hero form any game did any optional thing in that game because we decide ahat happened during the events of the game, THEY decide what happens between games.

Once more.
No-one is saying that

Bethesda leaves things vague, but they also write things from an in character perspective. Who would've been around to note that the CoC became Sheogorath, besides the people in the Shivering Isles?

Mournhold should pretty much be an expansion of the main Morrowind story because they are intertwined. It's like Martin ever said "go through that portal and see what happens"

good one anyone object??? cause i dont. like xbummx is saying, thats what the elderscrolls is all about.

No one is saying that, We're saying that it is not 100% true that CoC = Sheogorath, it could be any character, didn't have to be the CoC.

I write my character from an in character perspective. Bethesda says you're a prisoner for some reason, fulfill your destiny (or not), and have fun.

You aren't getting the point that some CoCs didn't become Sheo,

People who never played the expansion never had the option to even do it and may have imagined them living the rest of their days living in Bruma. But by youy logis he have to say "Nope, you become an insane rampling idiot because they guy ovet there did!"

Just call me Bumm

Heck, even if you get the expansion, it doesn't mean that your CoC is Sheo, you could play with other character that isn't the CoC.

That's what I mean. But he keeps saying that just because it happened in his game it happend in everyone else's, even if that's physically impossible.

Also, when you enter the Shivering Isles, Haskill tells you there are always choices to be made. You meet him if you choose to walk through the door, and he gives you a choice to go forward or walk back out. Saying CoC definitely became Sheogorath eliminates the possibility of that choice.

I know some players chose not to become Sheogorath just in the same vein some players didn't choose for the Nerevarine to go to akavir. Bethesda takes liberties with the characters it has. You're denying that CoC isn't Sheogorath because Bethesda doesn't openly say "hey, this is him."

But on the other hand, the trailers for Skyrim have a nord male as the Dragonborn, and Esbern's blade's song once you find Alduin's Wall says that this is the last dragonborn there will be. I'm not saying you're denying that, but it's just strange to me that people are all over the board even if Bethesda portrays the main character a specific way.

On another note, multiple dimension theory. Whether or not you believe in it irl, it's a thing that exists in many fictions. Especially in Elder Scrolls and Marvel. But for all the other dimensions in Marvel, there's still a main continuity - and there seems to be one in the Elder Scrolls too, what with how specific events happen and are kept recorded.

It does doesn't it. The first time I went in there I definetly walked out.

Bethesda didn't make the expansions for you to walk out

I don't believe you paid 10-20 dollars for an expansion and just walked out at the beginning.

One. Trailers are never to be taken seriously. Ever.

And two, we aren't straigh up denying it's him, we even say it is him, on some occasions. We're saying that whether the CoC became Sheogorath is completely up to the individual.

I thought that he was more or less saying that Bethesda has the final say on it, no matter what any of the players of the game actually did or didn't do with any of their particular characters, and that while Bethesda hasn't explicitly said it, they have heavily hinted at it.