[Lyd]

-He used a Shout for personal gain... something the greybeards (who taught him the way of the voice) forbid, so he betrayed his masters.

He used it on Torryg because he needed to do so in order to spread his message, which he thought was for the greater good, so no, he didn't betray anyone.

[Laura]

The Empire can't keep the provinces safe. Remember the sack of Orsinium by High Rock and Hammerfell while it was still an Imperial province. The Empire may have helped refugees, but nothing indicates the 2 attackers were punished severely. If this can happen while the Empire wasn't facing Thalmor, what will happen after Thalmor.

Just because the Empire is around doesn't mean they are infallible in every situation. There are plenty of examples where the might and resources of the Empire had not been sufficient to stop a conflict. However, the siege of Osmium in particular dates to before even Tiber Septim absorbed the lands into the Empire, and well before the Empire as we know it today, even back to the days of the Aylid. High Rock didn't come to be apart pf the Empire until almost 1,000 years later. The 1st Empire had not even taken control of the Imperial province at this time, infact they had been arguably smaller than the Colovian Empire that held the Western portion. They had allied with Skyrim to the North and tried to take Black Marsh and unify the Imperial province, and even flirting with Morrowind. However, they made no real move West until well after 1E950

[Josh Dagreat]

He used it on Torryg because he needed to do so in order to spread his message, which he thought was for the greater good, so no, he didn't betray anyone.

-Accused, do you admit murdering five people and causing injury to another thirteen with a knife?
-Yes, I do. But I did it to prove a point that I otherwise couldn't have gotten through their thick skulls.
-Oh, why didn't you say so before? Then it's totally ok. You're free to go, bro. Here's your knife.

[GEo LIme]

No he challenged Torygg to one on one combat. Torygg accepted, this is an ancient Nord cultural tradition, If Ulfric kills him he is rightfully High King of Skyrim. Ulfric done so to prove Skyrim's ways meant nothing to the Empire (I think).. If Torygg had refused the challenge and Ulfric had still killed him, it would be murder, however he didn't.

[Austin Suggs]

Sorry I misunderstood the meaning of the term National Socialist. I wasn't intending to compare the Stormcloaks to Nazi's. I think fascist was the term I was looking for. I think the Stormcloaks do have a relatively fascist ideology, they want to place Nords first within Skyrim (not saying that's right or wrong).

Again, they're not compareable to fascism either, considering how fascism is a relatively modern ideology and Skyrim takes place in a world based around the middle ages. I've always thought that the situation in Skyrim is actually quite compareable to the current situation in Scotland (ironic considering your location). The Stormcloaks (SNP) want independence for their people, the Nords (Scots) because they feel that the Empire (the UK) only serves the needs of the Imperials (English), rather than everyone as it should be. Of course, the situation in Scotland will be a peaceful democratic one involving a lot less axes, and Alex Salmond never shouted David Cameron to death, but apart from that...

[asako]

Again, there not compareable to fascism either, considering how fascism is a relatively modern ideology and Skyrim takes place in a world based around the middle ages. I've always thought that the situation in Skyrim is actually quite compareable to the current situation in Scotland (ironic considering your location). The Stormcloaks (SNP) want independence for their people, the Nords (Scots) because they feel that the Empire (the UK) only serves the needs of the Imperials (English), rather than everyone as it should be. Of course, the situation in Scotland will be a peaceful democratic one involving a lot less axes, and Alex Salmond never shouted David Cameron to death, but apart from that...

This. Also, I don't think people really know what fascism is, outside of nazis.

[Solina971]

Or any form of nationalism or xenophobia...

The Thalmor however are and adept comparison, a minority voice that rose to prominence after a crisis, harking back to 'better' days, snazzy uniforms...

[Laura Tempel]

Yeah I know I really identified with the Stormcloaks due to that. It's probably more comparable to our pervious War of Independence though in the Middle Ages. That one had plenty of axes. Even the geography is kind of similar Skyrim (Scotland) in the far North etc.

[phillip crookes]

Well both Skyrim and the situation in Scotland also have the issue of loyalists who want to remain in the Union.

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