Oh great another "list" of everything thats wrong with Skyrim.

He thought you were using the idea of hotkeys to compare it to Daggerfall, since Skyrim being better than Daggerfall is what the quote you quoted accidentally was about.

Fable 3 is as shallow as you can get. There's less peices, but more sets compared to Oblivion. Attributes svcked. Spell making will be missed. There was only one Arena you could actively use. First person horse riding..that's [censored]. Cities aren't getting smaller. Questlines are shorter, but better. Coding is fine. Skills aren't really dwindling. Perks > A couple of trash skills being lost.

It's sadly already too late.
Look at how well the game is selling. Bethesda is making more off this game then anyone expected.
Bethesda isn't going to "go back" to the less dumbed down version of games, all they care about is money.

Oh, and using paying customers as beta testers!

So does this mean we won't have to listen to all of your whining next time?

Something tells me you will be back.

Isn't he the facepalm graphics guy? Yeah, I couldn't care less what he thought. You though. I know you.

Cities are getting smaller. This isn't even debatable, I've given solid evidence in many threads. There's more armour than Oblivion but less than Morrowind (which additionally had far more slots). Questlines are mostly boring, they lost the interesting kills of Oblivion's DB questline for instance.

You mention the mutant stillbirth of the MOO series (MOO III) like it somehow makes you credible? No. Just no.

Well the MW main quest was considerably deeper I agree. But the rest was just hit jobs and fed-ex. In the case of the DB, the Oblivion quests were actually better. I liked the music and art direction of MW better. The rest is window-dressing. They've all been very much the same game since then.

The only one of those things I have a problem with is the questline length. I agree that those were definitely lacking in terms of content when compared with previous games.

The other things you mentioned I don't see many problems with to be honest.

I don't think there is a reduction of armour choices.. In fact I'm fairly positive that there are more armour types in this game, certainly than in Oblivion. The same goes for weapons. Skill choices.. the only major one that got dropped was hand to hand, and I do think that was a bloody stupid decision. But other than that, what have we really lost? Mysticism and Mercantile have been assimilated into other skills, which in my opinion makes sense given the new perk system. Those two skills were pretty crap before, but you'd tolerate them because you had nothing to lose by doing so. Whereas with the perks, if they were separate skills you would need to use more perk points to fill out their trees. Nobody would use them. I wouldn't have anyway. At least now I can sort of pick them up along the way, that's nowhere near as bad as them being straight up cut from the game.

Cities ARE smaller. Riften is a joke.

Bethesda has a half billion reasons to disagree with the OP, all with George Washington's face on them.

How about Morrowind's setting, general theme, atmosphere...I loved Oblivion, but it felt a lot like generic fantasy #14

Again. Try at least reading my comment before talking out of the side of your face about me to some else. It's only common courtesy.

There isn't more armor PIECES. More TYPES then Oblivion yes. Not more PIECES though. Skyrim has LESS pieces AND types then Morrowind.

Again. Try at least reading my comment before talking out of the side of your face about me to some else. It's only common courtesy. Christ it was on the first page was it not?

Finally, someone who actually gets it.

Cool? I don't need to read anything from a guy that would facepalm someone that says gameplay>graphics. I accidentally quoted you when I meant Dragonbone. For that I'm sorry, but I have nothing nice to say, so I wont say anything at all.

I spend more time playing II than III, but that doesn't change my point in that both of these games are 100x more complex than any Elder Scrolls game will ever be. People like to run around in these forums unchecked, like nobody will call them out on anything.....like Morrowind is the hardest and most complex gaming experience eva!!!........no it wasn't. It was a simple game the same way Skyrim is.

City size is unquestionable. Mother of the Nines, I fast-traveled Imperial City. Skyrim's cities are maybe the size of two of IC's sections. I've heard people say the same as the waterfront, but that's silly. Two waterfronts.

Of course, city size isn't related to game complexity. Just maybe realism. One could argue that cities were the only real places to find stories in Oblivion. I find them all over in Skyrim. They don't need to rely on a ton of city content to be interesting--or interesting stuff with expanses of minotaurs between.

I believe he has read the comment. What about it is supposed to change our opinions? EDIT: I was assuming you were talking about the facepalm graphics comment, what comment are you talking about? Saying that it won GOTY and is indisputably better than Morrowind?

I think you got me wrong. I meant that the Oblivion UI in fact was much better than Morrowind's and in that regard also better than Skyrim's. It was terrible in the beginning though, with the big characters that made it more a game of "guess what potion that is" than anything else. It still had its sorting function and hotkeys, so I liked it after patching. In comparison to that, Skyrim's UI really is dumbed down. So yeah, for me that is the best TES UI.

I'm curious, why do all the whine threads about lost 'complexity' seem to gloss over perks?

Oblivion, and certainly Morrowind didn't have anything like this, in Oblivion you got what you got at x level of the skill and that was that, Morrowind even simpler.

So yes they cut off little used stats, but the perks add a whole new element that you people who claim "dumbing down" seem to completely ignore.

The one thing I miss from Morrowind was much greater ability to visually customize your character, other than that I don't get what you guys are smoking. I'm replaying Morrowind right now and it is quite sterile, boring, and even far less relevant as a modern role playing game than Skyrim is. You miss little things here and there, but doing a side by side playthrough on each will really show you how far things have come...and clue you in to the things that really ARE annoying, like reliance on quest markers instead of the journal.

I agree. Morrowind's art and theme was what I missed most in Oblivion. The totally alien flora and fauna are what stand out for me. I was sadly disappointed when they released a pretty but ordinary game world with ordinary things in it.

That is when I realized we would never see the same kind of elderscrolls game. The lead designer changed and so did the direction the series was headed. Todd Howard puts out a pretty game, but the vision of what an elderscrolls game should look like was lost when he took over.

Yeah because it was totally as cut and dry as that, ever heard of sarcasm? No worries. If putting words in my mouth makes you feel that your argument is more valid, have at it.