"Spiral of frustration"?

Invalid psychoanolysis is invalid.

Tullius seriously reminds me of the military leaders of the East India Company in the 19th century, people who care nothing for the beliefs of the place they occupy, just go there and oppress the native population and spit on their customs.

Agree, and I think it would of been better if they imperial just died fighting instead of signing that thing for the dominion, they are just puppets, Ulfric as racist as he is is probly what is best for skyrim and if that means the elvs get treated like shi..rts then they can go f of to morrowind its not far.

Seriously, yes! I know "colonialism" isn't a valid term when it comes to Skyrim since it always has been a part of the Empire, but the word kinda springs to mind every time I see him or hear of him.

(Disclaimer: I haven't done Legion yet, so I haven't seen _that_ much of him. My opinion might change.)

So... you come in and make some very bold statements, then admit you really have no idea what you're talking about?

Yep.


(Just messing with you I think I might get these associations from the similarities in style with the Roman Empire. But my impression of Tullius from the times I've met him isn't particularly positive. )

And that's precisely the part of the MQ we don't want to do. Doing it will make random dragons appear and really, after like 10 dragons they just become annoying. Giant cliff racers if you will - not difficult to kill, but they appear much too often.
And I agree with people who say that the civil war would have made far more interesting MQ than dragons...

AFAIK, dragons only start randomly appearing when you've visited the greybeards, so doing the dragon rising quest for breezehome and the civil war should spare you.

I like Tullius. He's always seemed to me like a man who'd do anything for his men.

Ulfric, on the other hand, is a long-winded, dictatorial, racist.

Nope. Once you kill the first one at the western watchtower, they can spawn at any time.

I like the main quest line. If you are talking about the Alduin slash Grey-Beard slash Blades one. I would have done it just for http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Sovngarde_(Location), bloody gorgeous zone. I think that line is the one that leads you into http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Blackreach too. Another amazing looking zone for me.

Maybe I'm just lucky but I don't have a problem with random dragon attacks. I almost never fast travel and I rarely use the carriages, and if I do and it precipitates a random spawning then I know I have no one to blame but myself. If I don't do those things, I can play for days and weeks of in-game time and never see one that isn't scripted or flying around a known lair or word wall location.

Personally I prefer Tullius over Ulfric, he can be annoying at times but so can everyone.

Since I (almost) gave up fast travelling the dragons isn't so annoying any more. Sometimes I even think "Hmm, long since I had a dragon" (then one, of course, appears behind the next hill).

I disagree.
The Imperials never made a problem of the Nord still worshiping Talos, they let them do it on the hush.
But when Ulfric started making a lot of noise about the dictates of the Thalmor in order to further his own political quest for power, the Imperials had no choice but to clamp down.

Without Ulfric there would be no Thalmor problem in Skyrim, and a united empire stands a better chance against the Dominion than a lone Cyrodiil or Skyrim.

Like many people, I played through the Stormcloak scenario, and felt I was fighting for Skyrim, for the Nords! , but the end left me feeling like I had been tricked , as soon as Ulfric asked me to kill a true Nord woman many levels below my own, who believed in what humanity still had to offer to Tamriel, I finally realised I had been batting for the wrong team, and Ulfric, as I had been told by Alvor many months earlier, only cared about himself.
Since then, I have played for an additional 1200 hours, and have never chosen sides again.

It might have been luck or mods, but after Dragon Rising I only got dragons at Dragon Lairs, had to do "A Blade in the Dark" to get completely random ones.

For a person claiming the nords have no foresight, you ignore that Tulius gets every strategy wrong in the entire quest line up until the siege of Windhelm. It's the nord woman, Rikke, who makes all the right calls.

And by the way, Hammerfell repelled the Aldmeri dominion after the Empire sued for peace and disowned them. The empire didn't leave people behind that time, either.


Addendum: It's also worth noting that Elves fear Humans because Humans reproduce faster than they do. The Aldmeri dominion fought the Empire to a standstill. The Human population will rebound faster and then sack the Elves. In their greatest moment, the Elves failed to seal the deal and doomed themselves, much like their Snow Elf predecessors in Skyrim when Ysgrammor first settled.

Merari. You seriously think the Thalmor would not have pressed the WGC and said "We want to make sure no one's worshipping Talos in there."? They'd be passing up a golden opportunity of espionage and causing strife. Ulfric happened to be a convenient excuse, but they would've come to skyrim and the rest of the empire all the same.

I find myself wondering if he wasn't more than just a convenient excuse. According to his dossier, the Thalmor successfully made contact with Ulfric prior to the Markarth Incident, proving his worth as an asset. I'm left to wonder if that contact was, perhaps, the impetus for Ulfric going to Markarth. In other words, the Thalmor orchestrated the incident, using Ulfric as their pawn.

Oh they do seem to have had a hand in the incident. Exactly what went on there is something I'd like to know too. This contact seems to have suggested the idea of Talos worship to Igmund and father as payment and contacted Ulfric about there being a possible location for free worship in Markarth. If Ulfric hadn't been there, they would've found someone eventually. Or the similar incident would've happened in Cyrodiil. The thalmor weren't going to sit by and just say, "well we can't prove they aren't breaking the treaty". With enough threatening they wouldn't have needed the incident given how the empire kept jumping through hoops to appease them.

You know, I find it kind of sad the way you and certain others get all riled up and defensive whenever anyone impugns Ulfric with what you claim to be falsehoods and propaganda, then turn around and do the exact same thing to the Empire, every chance you get. It's rather hypocritical.

The problem is, there's actual evidence against one side and it is rather specific. You can complain about it all you want, but it doesn't go away just because you like the empire. Pretty much everything against the stormcloaks is filled with vagaries as noted above. I still think it's perfectly valid to support the legion in Skyrim. I don't think it's a good idea to support the council and emperor. I have a feeling the government of Cyrodiil is going to have some major upheavels in the future. Tullius + dragonborn have a good chance at restabalizing everything in time for the thalmor attack.

We often ask for evidence, and imperial supporters never provide it. It gets a bit frustrating.

I'm more curious about where and when Ulfric learned his Thu'um. Don't recall that ever being answered. Skyrim does get murky as many of the powerful seem to be the pawns of somebody else.

Ulfric was chosen as a student by the Greybeards when he was a child, he studied with them for almost ten years at High Hrothgar. By the end of that time the Great War had started and he had reached advlthood (or whatever the age of maturity is in Skyrim). He chose to leave and fight in the war rather than continue on to become a member of their order. That's info you get from dialogue in the game if you talk to Ulfric after you are summoned by the Greybeards; there will be options to ask him about them and about the Thu'um once he knows that you are Dragonborn.