Yes, eventually. Not right away like in Skyrim.
Serious RPGs make you work for it, have the strongest gear in insane dungeons etc... Skyrim is like "Oh, who cares, here's the best gear in the game, spend 5 minutes every time you come back to the city and you'll be invinsible by the time you fight your first boss..."

Yes, eventually. Not right away like in Skyrim.
Serious RPGs make you work for it, have the strongest gear in insane dungeons etc... Skyrim is like "Oh, who cares, here's the best gear in the game, spend 5 minutes every time you come back to the city and you'll be invinsible by the time you fight your first boss..."

How...how in the world would you consider camping a vendor, buying out all their supplies over and over again for hours at a time in order to make 600 items normal gameplay?

Please, I'm dying to know.

How...how in the world would you consider camping a vendor, buying out all their supplies over and over again for hours at a time in order to make 600 items normal gameplay?

Please, I'm dying to know.

Has anyone considered the idea that...you outlevelled the challenge?

When they were discussing this game before release, they said there was a 'soft cap' around level 50. You guys remember that? I see a LOT of people on this board complaining about how overpowered they are...at 70.

You put 200 hours into this game, you're going to eventually OUTLEVEL EVERYTHING. That's not the game's fault. The design steers you toward the main quest again and again- it's telling you to face the challenges now, rather than bounce around and do every sidequest, guild, dungeon and cave first. OF COURSE you're going to be beyond everything at that point.

But...that's your CHOICE. You CHOSE to go out of your way and find every word wall, become the head of every guild, level every craft to 100, and then wow, I'm overpowered!

Really?

No way!

You don't really need to camp at a vendor, but just use your skill when the opportunity arises. And as there is no other way to increase the skill but using it, grinding is the only option you have if you want to get better (and this goes for every skill but lockpicking).

Yes, eventually. Not right away like in Skyrim.
Serious RPGs make you work for it, have the strongest gear in insane dungeons etc... Skyrim is like "Oh, who cares, here's the best gear in the game, spend 5 minutes every time you come back to the city and you'll be invinsible by the time you fight your first boss..."

Looks like an better option is higher level enemies, level 55-80, how about giving enemies legendary gear? armor caped bandit doing 500hp damage with bows. Dragons with 10k health, need to boost their breath attacks to.
Add some serious nightmare stuff for level 81.

Morrowind advanced did excellent work for Morrowind, made the mainland much more dangerous than Bloodmoon.

Again, this is a sandbox RPG. The word sandbox means that the system does not limit yourself neither the char. It just gives you a set of skills, and a world with some things going on (politics, dragonborn, secondary quests...).

In an online game, the game MUST limit stuff and make sure it's all balanced. That's NOT needed on a game designed to play by yourself. If Skyrim was online it would be a complete disaster, simply because everyone would end up having ALL skills and perks, to take all the possible advantage.

So, they would HAVE to set a skill limit and perk limit, and balance skills accordingly.

Have you ever played a mmorpg? If I want to play a warrior, I have to focus on warrior skills if I want it to be a good warrior. If I decide to use some other skill, it will mean I'm lacking something on the warrior side (my choice anyway), and if I decide to use some other skill I will probably have to sacrifice some other warrior skills. This is what balances a game, but this is only needed on online games, where lot of players are going to play together and the system needs to control what the player does. To say it another way, the system enforces the rules.

That's not needed in Skyrim.

Skyrim can't "know" that you are playing a heavy warrior that can't lockpick or sneak. You will be able to use the ability and the game will increase the skill as you do. In an online game this would mean you have less points to invest in your warrior skills so you probably wouldn't use those abilities.

You can do the same in Skyrim, instead of "abusing" the sandbox mode system and complain because your character is powerful.

You mention the use of lockpicking and restoration spells. Well, let me put as example the character I play.

I wanted a sneaky archer (I usually start these games as a melee warrior, so I wanted a change). I wanted it to be good-aligned (not evil), with knowledge on locks and merchandise (speechcraft). I though on making it light-armored.

So, with this choice, I always use bow. I only wear light armour or clothes. I lockpick chests and doors on caves and ruins. I sneak here and there to try surprise my enemies. I never read a single spell book (I didn't choose magic for this char), neither craft a single potion, weapon or armour. Also, I never pickpocket anyone neither steal items, even if they are flagged white. If it's not mine, I don't take it.

I only pick perks from sneaking, archery, lockpicking and merchandise. Light armour barely increased because I don't get hit a lot, but I pick perks there too when I can.

When I create the [censored] warrior I have planed, I won't have problem stealing from shelves if noone is looking, or asking for a reward without shame. I will wear all those armours I can't wear now, and use different weapons I don't use now. I won't use lockpicking neither sneaking, so I will have to approach combat and some situations another way.


It's funny to read comments like: "how am I supposed to not gain sneaking?"... The common answer is "don't use it". The thing also is... why you use it? Because you know you're going to sneak past someone. If you don't want sneaking because it feels powerful or doesn't fit your char... then why you want to sneak past someone?.

Also if you learn a healing spell and use it to heal, even if you're a warrior, you will end up gaining a lot of restoration.. and if you pick perks, you will end up complaining that game is too easy because you can heal with no problems and never die. The question here is not to ask why the game allows that, but why you use it with that character profile.

Yes, eventually. Not right away like in Skyrim.
Serious RPGs make you work for it, have the strongest gear in insane dungeons etc... Skyrim is like "Oh, who cares, here's the best gear in the game, spend 5 minutes every time you come back to the city and you'll be invinsible by the time you fight your first boss..."

Except you don't need to do that. You can go do dungeons and quests in between, return every 2-3 days, even craft profitable items instead of daggers and you'll strill have lv100 smithing before you even meet your first dragon...

I don't think you understand what the term "grinding" is usually applied to. It's not part of natural gameplay, like when you're wandering around and you see some iron ore and you mine it, then the next time you get to town, you make some daggers and sell them.

Grinding is the purposeful gameplay of seeking out every available resource repeatedly until it's exhausted or you reach a desired goal. It's not picking up resources as you play other aspects of the game.

i shoundn't have to. the game should be difficult at the highest levels and i should have the option to make it easier. NOT the other way around.

morgue-

don't know where you got that? ASSUMPTIONS aren't very good in debates.

i have yet to use smith/enchant/alchemy. one of the reasons this website is great.

i strictly roleplay in this non-rpg game. i limit my skills and do my best to pick my perks reasonably so as to delay the inevitable ease of the game.

i shouldn't have to. the game should be difficult at the highest levels and i should have the option to make it easier. NOT the other way around. very simple. and, imo, unbelievable that people feel otherwise.

Right away? Are you serious?

Potion strength is tied to your alchemy level. So are the spells you can purchase- they're not even offered to you until you've level the appropriate spell class. Weapons and armor dropped by enemies are also scaled to you.

So again...right away? Explain that. Because 50 hours into playtime is NOT right away.

"Serious RPG's"

For the umpteenth time...these abilities have been in every TES game, and most of them were EASIER in previous games.

Dumbed down's not the correct term, I would refer to it as Evolving the series.

Listen carefully here:

Because it is out of concept for your character.

If you get every skill to 100 "because you can" means you have either a Godlike concept and should not be surprised that everything comes easily for you, or, you have no concept for your character and haven't a clue how to play RPGs. Neither of which is Bethesda's fault.

morgue-

don't know where you got that? ASSUMPTIONS aren't very good in debates.

i have yet to use smith/enchant/alchemy. one of the reasons this website is great.

i strictly roleplay in this non-rpg game. i limit my skills and do my best to pick my perks reasonably so as to delay the inevitable ease of the game.

i shouldn't have to. the game should be difficult at the highest levels and i should have the option to make it easier. NOT the other way around. very simple. and, imo, unbelievable that people feel otherwise.

Skyrim tries to be, among other things, an RPG. But half of it's RPG mechanics are simply horrible. Throwing the top gear in the players face is something that any proper RPG siply must not do, period. You either lock it in super-hard dungeons or make crafting a slow and painful journey to godhood.
It kills all the fun a game could give you as an RPG... "Yeah, I could totally become a god in 2 hours time, but I'd rather wear crappy gear and use rusty weapons for the thrill of the battle!" ... unless you roleplay someone with IQ in the negative territory, why would they do that?

I said before, I don't use alchemy. I find it boring and useless. Smithing you can get to 100 in 2-3 hours if you want to, 15 max if you try to not grind it. And that is right away for me...

And I don't care about previous TES games - I never played them, I have no idea about them. I judge Skyrim for what it is, not what it's predecessors were - they simply don't matter. If a game is good, it's not because it's an improvement from an older game with a same game, and if a game is bad, it doesn't matter if the previous in the serioes was worse or not...
Skyrim tries to be, among other things, an RPG. But half of it's RPG mechanics are simply horrible. Throwing the top gear in the players face is something that any proper RPG siply must not do, period. You either lock it in super-hard dungeons or make crafting a slow and painful journey to godhood.
It kills all the fun a game could give you as an RPG... "Yeah, I could totally become a god in 2 hours time, but I'd rather wear crappy gear and use rusty weapons for the thrill of the battle!" ... unless you roleplay someone with IQ in the negative territory, why would they do that?

The game should be more difficult.... the more your character increases in power......


Riiiiiight.