since gamesas stated that they will be doing balance patches then looks like thats a "yes".

From the looks of it, it is doing a lot more than your incessant complaining.

It would be foolish to expect something to instantly happen overnight. This is only a forum afterall, and whether the developers take note of voiced opinions here or not is entirely to their discretion, however remaining silent is the same as either not voicing an opinion at all, or implying satisfaction. You and others say that it is our choice to overpower the game, conversely I say that it is also your choice to open these topics and be irritated by our opinion.

Just in case you decided to bury your head in the sand earlier.

Yup. That definitely means they'll be nerfing the whole crafting system. For sure.

LOL. Ah, kids these days.

My way = results.

Your way = forum pollution.

I am one of those people who find the game too easy and too hard at the same time on master. Too easy because I still can kill everything. Too hard because 2 arrows and I am dead (yes I am a mage). But this reality would change if I started to use armor. So I consider that I am, in a certain way, handicapping myself. But that is not the main problem. The main problem is that some skills like crafting and enchanting make perks of other skills worthless. The whole system doesn't seem to make sense. Combat is boring in a certain way for mages because of the stunlock effect. However, without it we are screwed.

I find the argument "well, just don't overuse crafting skills" ridiculous. I like being rewarded for playing the game well. Not by making obvious choices

And what is this fabled way of the weightaholic?, I haven't been following the thread.

Restraint. Exercise control. Take reponsibility for your in game choices. Not hard.

Profit.

I've never been upside down waist deep in sand before, what's it like?

A complete overhaul of the crafting system? That's the only way you can fix the balance of the game? Huh... didn't know that.

Your way equals results? You mean the way o "don't play part of the game because balance and fun should always be exclusive," that way?

As a designer and a gamer, I [censored] LOL at your "logic."

I guess lowering your expectations does lead to not being dissapointed as often.

Skills won't be nerfed because they don't need to be nerfed.
Some people just need o understand how TES works.
Some people just need to understand how to develop a character.

I've been accused of saying the same thing over and over...
...and it's because this subject just keeps coming up over and over.

Some people just need to understand how to balance gameplay.

I never understood this argument..

Person A: I created a sword that would cut through the world if I accidently dropped it, than I created armor that is inpenatrable, than enchanted it to levels that make the divines cry in jelousy..
Person A: Now this game is so horribly unbalanced and boring, I quit...

Person B: Than don't use said sword and armor, or upgrade it to godly levels

Person A: I shouldn't have to handicap myself to enjoy this game...

The problem is that person A was able to do that in the first place.

It seems that most gamers today like to feel overpowered but without insulting themselves by choosing an "easy difficulty". This logic of "nerfing ourselves" doesn't seem old. I wonder if great rpgs like diablo, gothic, nwn, etc. thought that way too

What we are seeing is TES becoming a game for masses and a consensus is becoming increasingly difficult to get. Now what I find ridiculous is some members of this forum saying that bethesda thinks in the same way they do just because the game is not balanced

The balance is there.
There have been many many replies in these threads on how players can achieve balance via careful perk spending...or not perk spending...or by spending them all.

Some people have the solution put right in front of their face...but because it's up to them and not a built in mndatory game mechanic...they refuse to accept it.

So I go back to my original statement.
Some players need to understand how TES works.
Some people need to understand how to develop a character.

Dude...really?

That's not a "problem".
That's a choice.

Big difference....since the choice can be changed...rather simply too.

A lot of people don't want to break the game, but being told not to use half of what's available is a problem. You can become overpowered heck, invincible via the console, but that is something entirely different.

The console is outside the system of the game. It's not about self control, its about flaws in the system.

that only "balance" that the people saying it's fine as is, have is "don't do it."


Isn't that like saying, you can't use the crafting system at all then? We want to beable to use whats there and be strong, but right now if you use it your broken. IF we get a balanced system we can use the skills to there fullest and still have challenges.

Yeah, if there is a major glitch in the game and you start seeing people flying, your solution is: "don't look at them! Do your own thing and ignore them". It's not the game's fault. The problem is you who keep looking at them

This is what your "solution" seems to me.

One doesn;t need to use the console...I never have...and one doesn;t need to break the game.

Again....if you refuse to see or use the fix that's right in front of your freekin face...well...have fun playing your "broken" game.
You're missing out on a great experience because of your stubborness alone.

Different issue.
But thanks for your input.

I have used pretty much everything there is in this game.
Not broken and I've achieved "balance".
My game is playable. Why isn't yours?
What's different besides the player. Nothing.

Nah, the problem is person A can't control themselves or give up their godly armor and items, yet they want to come here and complain about them.

I imagine TES games are not for the person A since you could enchant armor and become a god in Morrowind and Oblivion. Nothing was more cheesy than 100% chameleon suites...