"FEV Research" =/= FEV virus. What was leaked was news of what was being worked on. :rolleyes:

Yeah... all the known records. Where are the records about the Enclave in Fallout 1? There arent any, because they haven't been created yet. The same idea can be used to efficiently explain the east coast FEV. Again the Gov. is so departmentalized its not a stretch to say that the east coast was experimenting with the FEV as well.

@ Alois: Your point? I never said that the FEV was released into the public. Just that the info was leaked.

Why would there be records of the Enclave anywhere? They are a Shadow Organization....XD

And why would there be information about east coast FEV? its a secret.

John Q Deliveryworker doesn't need to know what the delivery is (and if VT are telling him its something as boring as Dishwashing Liquid, then he's probably going to be more inclined to lose that delivery - A months wages for something like that? What's the harm).

Only the foreign spy needs to know what's in it (or to be precise, only someone somewhere in the foreign intelligence agency needs to know what it is). Given that its a military material, and the Chinese undoubtedly have spies in the military, we've actually created a great opportunity for them - The vault isn't a military base, its not going to have the same protection as Mariposa or West Tec (it is only a civilian shelter, officially at least).


The Fallout 1 manual suggests it was at least rumoured. The ads for other Vault Tec publications mention that all mention of FEV was removed from "Coping with Mr Virus". However this doesnt mean that it was taken any more seriously than a conspiracy theory such as the souce/intention of HIV today.

Exactly. My point is that your argument has brought pretty much nothing to the table except "well, they could have been working on it on the east coast too..." "I'm sure someone was probably working on it..."- in short, you've put forth nothing beyond your own insistence that it's remotely possible. Not one shred of evidence that anything did happen.

Your point?

The Enclave Base is an Oil Rig of the coast of California. Ya, I don't think anyone would find it the the big ocean. In Fallout 1, the only person that would have known about the the Enclave was Vault 13's Overseer.



And again, there is no ingame source as to this East Coast Vault experimentation with the FEV. Secret or not, we should already know about the hidden fact from the Prewar gov. by now.


I like outside resource of this. Ya referring to ingame source, which there is none at all to support.

Didn't you just go through great lengths to point out that FEV wasn't a secret anymore? XD

yet it obviously did happen since its in 3. Chris already signed off on all Beth canon.

Actually, the Enclave certainly did know about FEV. They just didn't have any on the Oil Rig, so they couldn't do what they wanted. When they found the ruins of Mariposa, they deployed vertibirds, troops, US Chemical Corps scientists, and a bunch of slaves to excavate it and get to the vats. They did not, however, expect that the transformation to supermutant would be as fast or as effective as it was. This forced a retreat shortly after they got their FEV.

Being that the Rig allowed them to control and monitor certain Vaults, I can only assume that Vault 87 had already been overrun and breached before then, preventing them from seizing the systems and sending a vertibird out to collect a sample from those vats via Raven Rock.

Lots of stuff in fallout 3 was never explained. A couple examples that puzzles me: Why Mr. Burke was so fixated on destroying Megaton? How little children kept the super mutants at bay? How could AntAgonizer control ants? Why were Talon mercs fighting the super mutants in DC? What were super mutants searching in DC? Why Eden so willingly agreed to destroy himself? To name a few... That's why I think lots of stuff in FO3 doesn't make any sense.

FEV falls into China's hands. Supermutant soldiers appear on the Anchorage line. War, War suddenly changes... The Chineese now actually have something to counter the Powered armoured troops.

Alternatively, a Biological bomb goes off in an american population centre. Suddenly all the population have radically changed. War, War suddenly changes?

Maybe the bombs still fall, maybe earlier, maybe later, but put your self in the feet of a US general, are you willing to take any risk that something as potentially dangerous as FEV falls into their hands?

I was pointing out that that info wouldnt be lying around its a secret, or was until its leak. I was showing the similarity with the enclave and tthe East coast FEV. Both were not invented by the game company until they "needed" them. 3 needed enemies so they put FEV in 87.

Massive lengths. It was entirely public knowledge, 'cause it was, y'know, "released to the world"- which I guess is why nobody knew about it because it was such a secret.

:rofl:

With just one of the Chris. Again, I would like it to hear it from Tim Cain, Chris Avellone, and all the other Chris'es that help contribute to Fallout.


By then, the Enclave would know about the FEV beforehand and its effect, not to mention they should already have data on the FEV as well. From what I read, that wasn't the case. They were surprise to what they found/stumble in to Mariposa and its effect as the miner started to revoke against them.

What massive lengths? its clearly stated here http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Bible_0
Ive already stated what I meant regarding the FEV and secrets. I was showing that just because its not stated in the game doesn't make it not so. Like no referencing the enclave in one or no east coast FEV references in one or two. Because they hadn't been invented yet. Honestly I could care less Bethesda>Obsidian all day every day. We can argue all night about canon, its not going to make anyone right or wrong since canon is up to the writers. they could explain all of this tomorrow in a statement if they wanted to and it could make no sense at all, but its still going to be canon.

From the Possibly-Canon Bibles:

I read that part, but doesn't go along that it was own by the Enclave, or the monitoring from the Enclave with Vault 87 if the Enclave are true with monitoring other Vaults, or the fact that the Base is just listed at their database rather then being part/contribute to it.

Not to mention pre war Enclave may have gone by any name. Also like I've been saying its a series, which means there will inevitably be canon rewrites and canon that contradicts itself. i don't even see why it matters that much since its just some made up story. The canon form one and two weren't even concrete, the bible went through several rewrites and corrections etc. Plus without Beth we wouldn't even have Fallout anymore. If Obsidian had somehow made its own independent Fallout it would of probably played like Alpha Protocol.

As if secret shadow government projects don't involve lying and deception. Just from Fallout 1&2 that document is false, not all the FEV was moved to Mariposa. Remember the lieutenant from Fallout 1? And his theory as to why vault dwellers made the best super mutants.
When the bombs hit the original West Tek Research Facility creating the Glow, it released FEV into the atmosphere, the radiation destroyed the mutagenic effects but it did partially inoculate any person against additional exposure. This inoculation was passed onto their descendents as anti-bodies often are. As a result most wastelanders produced stupid mutants and the master sought out the vaults as they contained people without radiation exposure and with out previous FEV exposure it worked for both theories.
The exposure from West-Tec being bombed is proven true in Fallout 2 when the Enclave makes their targeted virus to wipe out the main land. They designed it to effect wastelanders but not a pure strain of humanity. Hence why they tested it on the residents of vault 13 and Arroyo.
If your note was correct than the Enclaves virus never would have worked because it couldn't tell the difference between a wastelander and a "pure human"


How so? Vault 87 was struck directly by a nuclear weapon at the onset of the war. The Enclave's ability to monitor that vault may have been damage thus they didn't know about the progress of the FEV experiment in that area.

The idea that the Enclave DIDN'T know about the FEV experiments is ridiculous. There the secret evil shadow government of course they knew but that doesn't mean they had a sample on hand.

Here is the absolute fact, had Black Isle continued making fallout games they'd have invented a brand new source of FEV to continue using super mutants as enemies at some point. Hell the master was supposed to have spent years experimenting with FEV in order to make the super mutants as we know them in Fallout 1. Yet the Enclave does it by accidental exposure in Fallout 2? why do they get to rewrite the rules from fallout 1 to 2. but not when a new team takes the reigns. So the new source of FEV was inevitable it was going to happen eventually/

Exactly, its just one of the pitfalls of having canon with devoted follower and having a bunch of sequels.

I Disagree.

We've seen through the official Interplay games Mariposa Super Mutants getting into the Midwest by Migration, and we've seen them perform experiments to try and reverse FEV's sterrility.

A new source of FEV was not inevitable. A new source of mutants perhaps, but solving the sterility problem solves this, and stays within existing storylines, without getting ridiculous.

From my memory of VB documents, I cant actually recall any major mention of Supermutants there at all.... Nothing to make them the main enemy for some time at least.

I don't think so. I think they would have moved away from using Super mutants. Just like they did in FO2.

The problem tend to be the fact there isn't really any true source as to how many things occur and its just there from the result of cherry picking element and putting such element all over the place. This pretty much applies to the existence of Super Mutant Behemoths (or Super Mutant in general) in the East Coast. There no "real" evidence as to how or why the FEV was there in the Vault in the first place.


And we saw how such Enclave Virus kill off nearly EVERYONE in the Oil Rig if ya convince the doctor/researcher to do so. This was one of the possible route in the Oil Rig, after all.


Vault Tec are not that stupid enough to have just outer means being bombardment with nuke. These monitor is their main reason for their existence. I picture they can still receive data within the Vault itself and sent it to the Enclave base.

As for Enclave DIDN'T know about the FEV experiments, I would say along the line that if they did know about the sturcture and all the science crap that lead to the FEV, their kill-all-mutant project would have done a long time ago.


Not really. The remnants just go East ie MidWest. Beside, there more to Fallout than to just reusing Super Mutants to their like.