After seeing Gstaff's post, it's hard to determine my final opinion. The way he made it sound, future news will make us less angry. One thing I don't get, though, is that they won't tell us something that would pacify a backlash. We'll find out soon. All I can do is look forward to the great game that comes out tomorrow.

Well Micro$oft makes more money off of 1 360 game purchase than they do off of 1 PC game purchase. And since New Vegas uses steam instead of GFWL Micro$oft wouldn't make any money from DLC purchases off steam.

I wonder if you'd be so civil had they announced it as a PS3 exclusive and nothing for the 360.

But since they didn't - we'll never know.

Its not going to turn out to be something small or insignificant. Microsoft pays for these exclusives and they are NOT going to spend money to secure such a DLC. The DLC will almost certainly be on the same level as the Fallout 3 DLC. So its a pretty big deal to not have that available to you simply based on the version of the game you buy.

As for the whole thing, I didn't pre-order the game... so I have nothing to cancel. However, I am at the very least not going to rush out and buy a copy. As a PC gamer, I hate when a company craps on us because of the pissing war between MS and Sony. If Bethesda wants to sellout to Microsoft... go for it. But leave the PC community out of it. We play PC games for a lot of reasons, and one of them (for me at least) is to avoid the childish console wars... and now I have to suffer less content for games I buy because of said console war? **** that.

The way I see it is, why should I buy a game from a company that is delivering me a lesser gaming experience because someone paid them to do it. I buy games from companies that actually care about their customers, and not how much money they can squeeze out of said customers. Unfortunately Valve hasn't released a game in a while...

I called this one from the get-go...my friends denied it, but I knew!

They'd say "Ronin, we're leaving the age of console exclusivity - companies realize that releasing exclusive DLC like this only pisses off half the fanbase. Companies realize that the good will garnered from PS3-users will ultimately be worth more than that hefty bonus from Microsoft". They'd say "Ronin, an exceptional publisher like Bethesda is above such pettiness nowadays. They value all of their customers equally. They'll realize that this release schedule didn't work for Fallout 3, so they'll equalize things for New Vegas".

And I wanted to believe them, truly, I did. But then I realized that this isn't an issue of customer service, or professional loyalty. It's an issue of one party offering a monetary incentive for exclusive content, and thus having that exclusive content. Bethesda knows that PS3 users will buy it eventually, anyways. I did. And so will you, [Sample PS3-User].

Honestly, when this happened with Fallout 3, it had me absolutely raging. Now that it's happened a second time, I've softened a little. Or, more accurately, I don't care. The main game is where it's at - so long as they don't end the game on a note specifically designed to shoe-horn in DLC (Broken Steel), I'll be fine. If it has an ending, I'll be happy so long as its appropriate and not the "Oopsyoudied" of Fallout 3. Honestly, Fallout 3's DLC wasn't that great. The ones that weren't irredeemably buggy (Opteration: Anchorage, The Pitt) were either out-of-place (Zeta) or unbalanced (Broken Steel...such a fitting name). Of course, I take no issue with Point Lookout. That was excellent.

The point I'm trying to make is, this Microsoft-exclusive DLC is just going to be another underwhelming offering like Anchorage. We'll play a couple hours, and then go back to the main game.

Actually it was just as bad for us, no joke.

Says the 360 owner that sympathesis for his fellow PS3 and PC gamers. I'm not trying to be an ass here. I'm trying to give you guys an outlook that its not so bad. PC owners get mods. 360 owners get early content. PS3 users get content late. It all depends on your console preference. I prefer my 360. If you prefer PS3 then you didn't win this time. You can't win every time. PS3 has its advantages. We all have to live with the fact that theres NO perfect console. So instead of [censored]ing and moaning, how about we all accept the unchangeable. Who knows, maybe it will change and PS3 and PC will get there content with the 360. Maybe they won't and it will be some little thing that isn't significant. Or maybe it will be a HUGE DLC that everyone loves. No one knows at this point. Only time will tell. So now the only thing to do is wait. Enjoy the vanilla game and all the playthroughs you will have. :shrug:

Completely disagree. Bethesda puts 10 times the amount of effort, time, and depth into their RPG games, than EA/Activision puts into their whole quarter line ups. the Vanilla Oblivion is more in depth and with more content than all the COD put together. Bethesda could charge 90 bucks for their RPGs and still be better than 99 percent of game developers. You can never say that "Beth has mailed it in", when it comes to one of their RPGs.

I don't get the people who don't get the anger, frankly.

Consumers have made a decision to purchase a product, and the publisher has released new information the day before the release. Knowing full well that tens of thousands of people may well have made very different decisions, when making a purchase (pre-ordering) had they had this information from the start.

Glad-handing corporate entities at the last minute without so much as a "how do you do" to the very people putting that money in their pockets. S'anger inducing. Made evident in four rapid and large threads with an almost consistent viewer count in the hundreds since it began. lol

Getting the GECK on PC does not really satisfy me at all. I am invested in Fallout as a fictional creation, as something interpreted by Bethesda and Obsidian. I'm not very interested in amateur creations and quests, nor the game altering mods on a vanilla, no screw around run through the game. I haven't played any of the user created quests, but I'm skeptical any would be anywhere near the length and detail and writing of Point Lookout. I feel like I'm missing part of the game, and a universe, that I really do care about. It's one of the only franchises I feel this way about.

Wait, it says "We expect the DLC to be a timed 360-exclusive, like Fallout 3's was." The DLC for Fo3 came out for PC, but were they delayed? (I wasnt into FO3 at the time) Maybe we PC and PS3 people will just have to wait additional time? No way they would lock us out of the DLC, plus that makes them lose ALOT of money.

No. You're not getting it. You're drawing equivalencies that aren't there. Mods are something intrinsic to the PC platform, just like cheaper hardware prices are intrinsic to the consoles. Neither of these things are stuff that Bethesda is in a position to change.

DLC distribution is different. Beth are the ones who decide how DLC will be distributed. Beth is arbitrarily deciding to snub two out of three platforms.

Beth is making a terrible decision that will, sooner or later, come back to bite them.



Very, very few quest mods are anywhere near as good as a real DLC, truth.



I would argue that most vehemently if this weren't a thread on DLC and terrible business.

Well with 3 they waited along time before they ever announced anything buried the threads talking about it and banned a lot of people even though some of it wasn't exactly flaming.

If nothing else, these threads have provided boundless and instantaneous feedback on the new product announcement.

Probably made a few people burst out laughing and/or shake their heads in disbelief at some of the posts too. :facepalm:

exactly. the point is we bought this game expecting to get the full experience. we did not.

my anger is rising by the minute.

So, PC and PS3 players (not even PC players like last time? :huh:) will not be getting this DLC? Did I ever mention how much I hate Microsoft? [censored] those money-grubbing bastards.

to answer why Mic$ would "screw over" its PC users is because theres more then just windows operating systems. Theres also Mac and Apple, don't know of anyother operating systems, but because microsoft can't be certain that everyone is using a windows op system they cut DLC and what not. Thus many angry/ bored people came together and said "we can haz DLC" which was answered with 25% increase in the cost of DLC. So those people put on Black jumpsuits broke into a Best Buy and dropped all the DLC codes of the roof into the parking lot. . . wait thats the revolution my bad.

This. I'm a PS3-user.

I also have Demon's Souls. Trade-offs in life are inevitable.

I don't care who uses what to play any game, to each is own I say :wink_smile:

I primarily PC game for many different reasons, mods is a big one and I do play TES4, FO3, and have pre-ordered FONV. Being a loyal Bethesda product consumer I stuck with them through the GFWL FO3 DLC issue's and I will continue to support them....what can I say they make great games. I am not happy to hear about the DLC 360 first exclusive it stinks and makes me feel pushed aside :sadvaultboy:

dude.....this lowered my excitement for this gam on a scale of 1 to 10 from a 10 to about a 5....the games still gonna be good but the looming thought that im gettin gyped is just gonna be sittin in the back of my head

No. Your not getting it. I'm drawing equivalences that are there. Each console has its advantages. Bethesda has a deal with MS not Sony. If your making this big of a deal out of it then buy a 360. If you can't enjoy the vanilla game like others than don't buy it. Don't cause an uproar on the forums about it. Mods are something that are infinate on the PC. Ask a lot PC gamer why PC is better than console in terms of Fallout and they will answer 'Mods'. Then the 360 gets something over PC and everyone is like 'Well I want the DLC'. PS3 gamers do get screwed in this one. However, it might be a little DLC that means nothing. Remember FO3, how it was gonna be MS only. Well PS3 and PC have the same DLC's that 360 does. How do you know it won't be the same here?

This may be a setback for Ps3 users, and I myself am a little ticked at how ONCE AGAIN, we are being held with no DLC as it is exclusive to only Xbox owners.
Will we get our own exclusive to counter-balance this out? Will it soon be that, wait for 5 months to get the dlc again?
Really am tired of this, of how they could've avoided all this hate if they just did the simple thing.

Make it for all systems.

Then, we could all just be overreacting. Maybe.

Is it on PC or is actually exclusive to 360?

Thank you for letting us know how the DLC is going to work...you just saved me $60! I will not be buying your game new now.

...From what I understand, New Vegas is only for the Windows platform on the PC. It's a Games for Windows title. (Not to be confused with Games for Windows Live). So in theory, everyone running NV on the PC is running windows of some stripe.

Granted there's linux and mac, but those are both notoriously difficult to get windows games running on.