Ah the Omertas, ah no issue, I was going to kill them anyway for working with Caeser.

Great minds think alike.
Soon as I saw Nipton for the 1st time - long before I knew Boone existed, as well - I knew I could never support the Legion. They may have some reasonable sounding ideals in their books, but their methods are not ones I could support.

You would pick tyranny and fascism over integrity, freedom and human dignity. There track record of slavery, secret experiments, murder and intimidation shows their little better then Caesar's legion. Throw in the attempted genocide and you can easily say Caesar has the moral high ground.


I don't see Securitrons roaming the wastes attacking random travelers and capturing slaves, but the Enclave certain did that. House has a plan for the future of humanity. The Enclave has an ideology to rebuilding America, the same kind of ideology that led to the great war to begin with.

And that is the key difference, The Enclave wants to rule and control with the pure humanity on top. House could careless about someone being a ghoul, a super-mutants or a talking deathclaw[if the Enclave hadn't exterminated them]

House goes after threats to his plans while the Enclave goes after threats to there ideology.


I can say a faction is weak because they've had there already small numbers devastated twice. They couldn't face the NCR head on in Fallout 2. Why could they suddenly have the strength now when the NCR military is even stronger and there numbers and resources are even less.

correction. they couldn't face the immortal/godlike Chosen One in Fallout 2.

I have that exact same feeling, I tried to kill Mr. House so that I could side with Yes Man but after I killed him I felt guilty that New Vegas wouldn't be restored in the way that House was talking about so I reloaded the save to before I open the terminal in the Penthouse. If my character is truly evil then I will have no problem killing Mr. House but if I have my neutral character then I probably won't.

How is that bad? If you spent millions if not billions, to produce something no bigger than a US Half Dollar and spent 200 years attempting to find it, I'm sure you would be pissed too if the man you CONTRACTED TO DELIVER IT TO YOU, tried say 'herp derp nope, I found it, its mine, go away.' I'm sure you'd get pretty pissed off too. Plus, he yells at you and offers you a final chance to turn it over, you say no the third time and you'll be killed, by your own fault too, not like you shouldn't expect it. I'd like to see how the NCR and Legion would respond to you saying no. They'd likely kill you without giving you a last chance.

House forever, House supremacy. :vaultboy:

I can agree to that, from Houses perspective its basically theft and betrayal.


That too, but I recall even Orion Moreno admitting the Enclave didn't have enough people to face the NCR head on. There's a reason they operated secretly in Fallout 2 while they prepared there final solution.

:rofl:



So Colonel have you played through the game without siding with House or do you only go with him?



I believe he was referring to their defeat following the oil rig disaster

What kind of stupid question is that? Why would you even THINK I wouldnt side with other factions?

But uh, no, I havent. I tried an NCR playthrough, quit when I met that jerkoff Colonel Moore telling me to kill House, made a new game and went back to House.

Yeah thats what I figured I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who only sides with house when they play through. :celebration:

Only non house playthrough was my first, tryng to find the end before it was spoiled, so I did a speed run, but that was going to be deleted due to mistakes from rushing so I joined the legion to get it out of the wyay. I have an ncr character, but I dont like him. House is my main characters choice.

And if we are on about factions true colours, get the remeneants to join ncr, yeah the ncr thanked them for fighting for them, arcade is probablly happy now with life imprisonemnt, for no cim other than being a memeber of the enclave who ddnt even follow the enclave ideals. [censored] ncr.

Know what I love about this thread? It shows how well this game was written....some people (like me) can't ever make themselves do a "Legion run." Others can't do a "kill House" run. Some can't bring themselves to kill Benny. And so on and so forth. The characters and/or factions bring out these strong and often loyal reactions in people, and that's a sign of a good game. imo.

agreed, i helped out the King (who I felt personally to be kinda annoying) simply because I wanted to spite them...



Yep I would agree, its hard to beat New Vegas's writing

Agreed. I know Bethesda is working on fallout 4, I hope they are taking notes.
Personally I would rather Obsidian make the future fallouts, and Bethesda stick to TES. I liked fallout 3, but I just think this way both developers are doing what they do best.

I am going to have to incite war between ncr and kings, that way house dosent feel the need to send in securitrons. Sure innocent ncr will be hurt, but better than the natives dying.
I find it annoying walking on the strip "te fiends shouldnt mess with our great army" I swear 99% of the population is from ncr. Dosent matter, they will provide money to house, to rebuild, then we can see how they like being "annexed".

House svcks, i tried to work with him on my first playthrough. When i got the platinum chip, i was unsure whether i really wanted to work with him so i decided to keep it and decide later whether to give it to him. He goes crazy, starts yelling at me, sics his robots on me. I run out of the lucky 38, then come back 5 levels later armed with plasma grenades. :laugh:

house is just a arrogant buisnessman who should have died years ago/

Meh, I would be okay if they just had bethesda design the world and such and have Obsidian do the quests/game mechanics/everything else



:swear:

Right, considering you owe him your life, and he saved vegas, I would say he has done more than any other character will, and you were a thief. You were payed to deliver. If you delivered something to my door and said "nope mine" I would attack you too. Its theft, you have no legal ownership of the chip. And for an arrogant business man he sure has saved lots of lives and asked for nothing in return, making him better than anyone else in the mojave and ncr.


I thought about it, but then realised some places are linked with mechanics/quests and would need to be done by obsidian e.g helios one.

Aside from his murdering of the Kings, and forcing me to murder the Brotherhood of Steel, I like Mr. House. Even though I killed him the first 3 times I played the game, I still felt bad about it. Mr. House isn't just an ordinary jerk with money. He actually is a genius and losing his intellect, especially in a post-apocalyptic world, feels like a real loss.

In the words of Mr. House

May there be an unending tartarus for you. :stare:

@Mike- Actually, the kings deaths are avoidable, if you incite the kings to war against NCR, House sees this as a sign of their loyalty to New Vegas and ignores them.

Just before I disconnected him, he called me a Hore.

"Ok fine, I'm a HORE...but you're out of touch."

Lol, i am also sore that in one of my other playthroughs he tried to make me kill brotherhood and wouldnt let me ,make a treaty. Never again :cryvaultboy:
Anyway he saved youre life for personal gain, im certain CL or NCR or anyone else would have done the same

Yes but they attack citizens not army. Howdo I encite war though ?


Well you are killing him for no good reason... I say calling you nasty things is pretty civil considering the circumstances.

Yes-Man wants you to do it too. And for good reason, the BoS are a bunch of crybabies when someone has better tech than them, House wants you to kill them because it's likely that they would go to war with New Vegas.

The Bos if you have better tech=http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii97/Martyr_of_Death/crybaby.jpg

Edit @ Name- You never mention that the NCR sent an ambassador to meet with The Kings, then the King will ask you to help Pacer wipe out the NCR guys at the train yard. (Warning though, be sure to have a good rep with NCR, as this dropped me from accepted to mixed, so if you're neutral, the NCR wont like you at all.)

Getting rid of the brotherhood of Steel was my only major problem with House and I told him that.

Mr. House "I'm your employer which makes you my employee now are we going to have a problem." It was something similar to that, I did it and later on I thought about it and I got the realization that the BOS wouldn't allow Mr. House to proceed with his plan because of the Technology that Mr. House would use. I made the right choice that day killing the BOS. They don't have the same values as the East Coast Brotherhood and I made a lot of cash off of their weaponry and armor.

But I didn't kill him. He wanted me to but I wouldn't.