Metal Thread #2

Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:24 pm

It's my favorite song too. Harnessing Ruin, the title track, is also a damn fine song by Immolation.

The intro of the title track!!! It is so awesome, but I think this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdiYXR4Tirs&feature=related wins best intro for me. Along with it's cover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16zL4VMzs4g It is just that awesome.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:46 am

I purchased a bunch of CDs recently and as I'm listening, nothing has weirded me out as much so far as the song 'When the Sun Drowns in the Ocean' on Altar of Plagues' Mammal. Holy crap, what is this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eln1J4g2fX0
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:02 pm

I purchased a bunch of CDs recently and as I'm listening, nothing has weirded me out as much so far as the song 'When the Sun Drowns in the Ocean' on Altar of Plagues' Mammal. Holy crap, what is this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eln1J4g2fX0

That's actually very good. Thanks for that!
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:32 am

Going to see Black Dahlia Murder/Skeletonwitch/Fleshgod Apocalypse tonight. Not a big fan of BDM so I'm mainly going for Skeletonwitch, as I was too hungover to see them at Bloodstock this year.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:39 am

Going to see Black Dahlia Murder/Skeletonwitch/Fleshgod Apocalypse tonight. Not a big fan of BDM so I'm mainly going for Skeletonwitch, as I was too hungover to see them at Bloodstock this year.
Lucky you! I always wanted to see Fleshgod Play, but I missed my chance back in September. :(

I hope you have a good time though sir. :P
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 11:22 pm

I intend to get highly drunk and stagedive. I did it at Napalm Death and I'll do it here, dammit.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 2:33 am

That's actually very good. Thanks for that!
You're welcome. I like the direction these fellows are taking.

I'm almost through my pile. I've kept (one of) the best for last: Sólstafir's Svartir Sandar. Find the first two tracks below.
Ljós í Stormi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HB0AYwwlXc
Fjara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATAj4dwMTxo
I'm liking every second of it so far.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:56 am

I intend to get highly drunk and stagedive. I did it at Napalm Death and I'll do it here, dammit.

Sounds like a great way to spend a concert. Although I don't drink anymore haha.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Rediscovering how amazinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoAsa8dUWlg is. <3 The word silence and his vocals are a perfect match IMO.. I absolutely adore that word. :wub:

Anyone know of anything else this dark? I would love to hear it.

Truly an incredible album..
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:34 am

Rediscovering how amazinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoAsa8dUWlg is. <3 The word silence and his vocals are a perfect match IMO.. I absolutely adore that word. :wub: Anyone know of anything else this dark? I would love to hear it. Truly an incredible album..
Not metal, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t76p6MHyGl0 . Which is Nattramn's latest musical work. But you probably alredy know about it.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:05 am

So yeah, banterous night. Didn't get drunk or stagedive which is a minus, but Skeletonwitch more than made up for it. As I said, not a massive fan of BDM, so I just pvssyd to the guitarist, singer and bassist from Skeletonwitch for most of their set and bought a shirt for no good reason(?). Then on the way back one of the people I was with just chundered everywhere.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:17 pm

Not metal, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t76p6MHyGl0 . Which is Nattramn's latest musical work. But you probably alredy know about it.

Indeed. I adore that album just as much. He certainly proved his capabilities are beyond haunting vocals and twisted lyrics. I wish he would write some more though.. The world needs more of this! I haven't stumbled across anything as disturbing as the things he's involve with yet.. A lot of suicidal black metal bands are unbelievably boring and seem less genuine.

I was impressed by the amount of views the song I posted had.. Just goes to show the world is more [censored] up than you think haha :D

Anyone else notice that Shining has posted somehttp://www.shiningviii.blogspot.com while recording their latest album? I thought they were pretty funny anyway.. I love those guys, even if the last two albums were massive disappointments. I'm still a dedicated fan :rock:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:24 am

Indeed. I adore that album just as much. He certainly proved his capabilities are beyond haunting vocals and twisted lyrics. I wish he would write some more though.. The world needs more of this! I haven't stumbled across anything as disturbing as the things he's involve with yet.. A lot of suicidal black metal bands are unbelievably boring and seem less genuine.
Silencer and Nattramn's work is one of a kind. Nattram did release a book quite recently. Thinking about getting it when I get some money. The book is titles Grishj?rta(meaning Pig heart in english.). Not sure if I would want to read it though :P
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Not sure if I would want to read it though :tongue:

I know what you mean. Dude is pretty out there. I'm not sure if I need that kind of influence. :unsure: I still think he's brilliant though.. in messed up kind of way. haha.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:00 am

I know what you mean. Dude is pretty out there. I'm not sure if I need that kind of influence. :unsure: I still think he's brilliant though.. in messed up kind of way. haha.
Haha, he's quite brilliant at making eerie music. That's pretty much it though.

Cheerful Depression which can be heard here: http://www.youtube.com/user/fashionable5consumer is quite good. Noting like Silencer, but still very good. The two latest uploads "NIght of The Evil Dead" and "Zombie Apocalypse Black Metal" is quite interesting too.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Haha, he's quite brilliant at making eerie music. That's pretty much it though.
lol perhaps. I wouldn't know. I love his lyrics too though

Cheerful Depression which can be heard here: http://www.youtube.com/user/fashionable5consumer is quite good. Noting like Silencer, but still very good. The two latest uploads "NIght of The Evil Dead" and "Zombie Apocalypse Black Metal" is quite interesting too.

ooo. not too shabby :)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:06 am

So yeah, banterous night. Didn't get drunk or stagedive which is a minus, but Skeletonwitch more than made up for it. As I said, not a massive fan of BDM, so I just pvssyd to the guitarist, singer and bassist from Skeletonwitch for most of their set and bought a shirt for no good reason(?). Then on the way back one of the people I was with just chundered everywhere.

Sounds like a pretty chill night. Not a huge fan of Skeletonwitch, but altogether, that is a pretty solid lineup for what it is. :P
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:39 am

You might like this song by dream theater, give it a try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3D_-xQFog&feature=related At least the first minute shouldn't be too bad (but around 1:30 you might rage quit). :biggrin:
It wasn't terrible, but it didn't do much for me. Here's an improptu essay about it:

The overall sort of "groove metal" (or whatever) kind of vibe isn't really my thing, but thankfully they avoided the more power metal and AOR oriented influences that really grate me. They did a better job with song structure here than in some of their other examples I've heard, sort of following a sonata form, but I still found it a bit weak: the string of riffs in the opening I guess does successfully serve as a bit of an expository gesture (sort of like starting with the chorus riff without vocals in the beginning of a pop song, or a seemingly unrelated intro built from thematic material in some more-expanded sonatas), but the length of time/amount of riffs was a bit overdone for an intro without any real melodic content. The "song" section was okay for what it was, but then we get into the instrumental section, which only seems to develop material introduced IN the instrumental section, and in doing so seems to rely a bit too much on the shock value of their transitions between tempi and orchestration (the ragtime piano breaks were humorous, but really, wtf?). The guitar solo is of the incredibly high technical caliber that we would expect from Petrucci, and through it dabbles liberally in the type of shred neoclassicisms I've heard way too much of, there were some interesting Ron Jarzombek sort of moments as well. In the end we have only the briefest (and verbatim, as far as I could tell) recapitulation of the song material, and then an overlong outro which felt unbalanced to me. Progressive rock and metal attempting to emulate standards of classical music and falling on its face is pretty disappointing to me, and I find that often times such musicians better express themselves in a more modestly expanded upon rock/pop song format, though I'm sure DT has their share of songs in the 5 to 7 minute range that might avoid some of these unwieldy formal pretensions. The guys are obviously great players (Petrucci especially), but to me, they lack in the compositional/songwriting department, which can be just as abstruse, refined, technical, etc expression (if that's what you're looking for, anyway) as instrumental virtuosity even if it doesn't employ individual technical instrumental virtuosity.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:27 am

sheesh. A simple "this is good/bad" would have worked.

jk

Progressive rock and metal attempting to emulate standards of classical music and falling on its face is pretty disappointing to me, and I find that often times such musicians better express themselves in a more modestly expanded upon rock/pop song format,

This I agree with.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:12 am

I find that often times such musicians better express themselves in a more modestly expanded upon rock/pop song format, though I'm sure DT has their share of songs in the 5 to 7 minute range that might avoid some of these unwieldy formal pretensions.
The only thing I find more boring than Dream Theater's overlong and unthematic instrumental sections is their (thankfully rare) attempts to make "normal" rock/pop music. I know it's a bit of a cop out to say that a band lacks emotion, and hard to put your finger on exactly what that means, but I can't help but feel that all the technical fireworks and structural insanity in their music is just their to cover up a complete lack of commitment to actually making meaningful music.

I've heard plenty of bands bounce from riff to unrelated riff without structure or thematic development and make it sound much more exciting and interesting. It's not the classical pretensions that piss me off about DT, it's just how fundamentally dull their music is once you get down to it...
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:22 am

I can't help but feel that all the technical fireworks and structural insanity in their music is just their to cover up a complete lack of commitment to actually making meaningful music.
I'm obviously no big supporter of theirs, but their technical precision (which really requires a lot of dedication; I would consider myself a decent guitarist, and I can't play anywhere near Petrucci's level) coupled with their continued work in a genre that isn't the most monetarily rewarding (though I doubt a band of their profile is exactly strapped for cash) would make me think that they aren't so disingenuous; I think I just happen to disagree with their apparent view of meaningful music.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:19 am

The only thing I find more boring than Dream Theater's overlong and unthematic instrumental sections is their (thankfully rare) attempts to make "normal" rock/pop music. I know it's a bit of a cop out to say that a band lacks emotion, and hard to put your finger on exactly what that means, but I can't help but feel that all the technical fireworks and structural insanity in their music is just their to cover up a complete lack of commitment to actually making meaningful music.

I've heard plenty of bands bounce from riff to unrelated riff without structure or thematic development and make it sound much more exciting and interesting. It's not the classical pretensions that piss me off about DT, it's just how fundamentally dull their music is once you get down to it...

Nice post!


I'm obviously no big supporter of theirs, but their technical precision (which really requires a lot of dedication;
pffft. Who cares

Not that I disagree.. It takes way more dedication to master an instrument than it does to actually make good music :P Funny how things work.

anyway I'm probably annoying you guys with my constant posting haha. I'll stop
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:20 pm

It wasn't terrible, but it didn't do much for me. Here's an improptu essay about it:

The overall sort of "groove metal" (or whatever) kind of vibe isn't really my thing, but thankfully they avoided the more power metal and AOR oriented influences that really grate me. They did a better job with song structure here than in some of their other examples I've heard, sort of following a sonata form, but I still found it a bit weak: the string of riffs in the opening I guess does successfully serve as a bit of an expository gesture (sort of like starting with the chorus riff without vocals in the beginning of a pop song, or a seemingly unrelated intro built from thematic material in some more-expanded sonatas), but the length of time/amount of riffs was a bit overdone for an intro without any real melodic content. The "song" section was okay for what it was, but then we get into the instrumental section, which only seems to develop material introduced IN the instrumental section, and in doing so seems to rely a bit too much on the shock value of their transitions between tempi and orchestration (the ragtime piano breaks were humorous, but really, wtf?). The guitar solo is of the incredibly high technical caliber that we would expect from Petrucci, and through it dabbles liberally in the type of shred neoclassicisms I've heard way too much of, there were some interesting Ron Jarzombek sort of moments as well. In the end we have only the briefest (and verbatim, as far as I could tell) recapitulation of the song material, and then an overlong outro which felt unbalanced to me. Progressive rock and metal attempting to emulate standards of classical music and falling on its face is pretty disappointing to me, and I find that often times such musicians better express themselves in a more modestly expanded upon rock/pop song format, though I'm sure DT has their share of songs in the 5 to 7 minute range that might avoid some of these unwieldy formal pretensions. The guys are obviously great players (Petrucci especially), but to me, they lack in the compositional/songwriting department, which can be just as abstruse, refined, technical, etc expression (if that's what you're looking for, anyway) as instrumental virtuosity even if it doesn't employ individual technical instrumental virtuosity.
I agree with you, especially on the piano bit. :/ That's completely wtf-ish in most of their songs and I always go.. "is this where the rick-rolling starts?" Especially this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STXFFYcuhuw, skip to 6:20-6:40, it sounds like angry birds invaded their studio or something. :D But I really like that song as a whole.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:48 am

Not that I disagree.. It takes way more dedication to master an instrument than it does to actually make good music :tongue: Funny how things work.
It depends. I think you can spend the same amount of time and effort trying to master "songwriting" or "composition" as you can at mastering an instrument, and some people have different talents. I find that a lot of shred guitar virtuosi write really boring music but have a great capacity for not only fast playing but also articulation and phrasing. The problem is that electric guitar is so tied into a rock-based context which at this point pretty much always that a musician writes and records original music (unless you're a studio player, perhaps). These guitarists might be on lv. 99, but put all their points into guitar, and so their compositional chops aren't really up to snuff. This doesn't happen in the classical music world where people pretty much specialize as instrumentalists, composers or conductors, although this wasn't really always the case and good arguments can be made against specialization. Anyway, I think the skills of some of these shred masters could be used to great effect by a more dedicated composer, although you might have trouble finding an electric guitarist that can read music...

I agree with you, especially on the piano bit. :/ That's completely wtf-ish in most of their songs and I always go.. "is this where the rick-rolling starts?" Especially this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STXFFYcuhuw, skip to 6:20-6:40, it sounds like angry birds invaded their studio or something. :biggrin: But I really like that song as a whole.
I'm glad you're taking this well, I know when someone lays into a band you like, it can sometimes feel pretty personal, and I hope I didn't sound vindictive or harsh because I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

But yeah, I listened to that section, and I was really confused about the sort of sound-world jump cuts provided by the keyboards. It's sort of hard to rectify that kind of parodical stylistic anarchy within a framework that seems to take itself seriously on the whole, but in the end, musicians can do whatever they want, and I suppose that's part of the charm of the whole thing.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:37 pm

Progressive rock and metal attempting to emulate standards of classical music and falling on its face is pretty disappointing to me, and I find that often times such musicians better express themselves in a more modestly expanded upon rock/pop song format,
I actually like hearing musicians try to challenge themselves to write something more complicated even if it doesn't always work. I hate when a song is more 'pop', I don't like the feeling that I am listening to something intentionally toned down because the musician is inept to play anything or even try anything better.

At the same time people like Yngwie Malmsteem annoy the [censored] out of me because they are trying to be too technical and sound like [censored] which Yngwie does most of the time. I love guitar shredding or whatever you want to call it but like a poster above me said it lacks emotion, it's technical for the sake of being technical..... I guess I'm hard to please :shrug:

That being said I do love just straight forward traditional metal, Judas Priest, Saxon and Accept for example. I actually bought Accept's Blood of the Nations and Saxon's Into the Labyrinth over the week end and they are fantastic, which I may as well share. The Accept song has a nice guitar solo, it isn't hugely technincal but to me has emotion and gets it's meassage across very nicely, imo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUkGbOmJz8I - Saxon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z45SckM3k3A&feature=related - Accept (This is a ballad, beware)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwGwVN_AOM&feature=related - Accept (For those that dislike ballads a more "balls to the wall" song)

As for Dream Theatre I find them mind numbing, though there is much worse stuff...

.... the only thing off the top of my head that I can think of that I like Dream Theatre related is a solo song by John Petrucci http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkSF32kK9w , whih I may as well share here also
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