It's truly free to those who want it truly free. If you want to buy stuff from the cash shop, go ahead. If you don't, then don't. Stop acting like you're forced to buy stuff from F2P cash shops.

Lol.

Yeah... now that there's a larger influx of posters after the Beta announcement, the mods are taking this board a lot more in hand. It's starting, though, fellas. I'm not looking forward to General Discussion on the newer official boards.

Obviously you're not forced. I'm not forced to go to work every day, but I chose to because it's a wise decision. Buying a content pack in order to be able to play alongside your friends/family is a wise decision. Paying to unlock the Khajiit race for those who dearly dearly wish to play it is, for them, a wise decision.

It's all about getting players to part with their money. You'd have to be insane to think a F2P game would survive if it didn't rely on that. As such, it's infinitely less hassle to just bill me every month and give me full access to everything.

But either way, the game is absolutely, assuredly not going to be F2P so the whole point is moot. I've listed in a previous post in this thread why it won't follow GW2's B2P model, either. It WILL be P2P. I'd put RL money down on that.

I don't think you understand what is in a cash shop. Cosmetic items won't keep you from playing with your friends/family or playing a Khajiit. What in the name of Vivec are you talking about?

Obviously though, it won't be F2P. But I'd put real money on it being B2P.

Go download EQ2 or LOTRO or SWTOR. Then come back singing praises of cash shops. Go ahead. I'll wait

Those are all terrible examples of F2P games. The games I've listed have no content in their cash shop and are 100% free-to-play.

Terrible or not, they're examples. The games you listed have all but bottomed out. They made back their money, probably a decent profit and are now dying a slow, but assured death. The 3 I listed also made back their investments, made good profits and, did not bottom out, but now have very healthy communities. TOR was called a failure, but I guarantee you it had at it's lowest point a higher pop than all 3 of those games you've listed will ever have again. I admit that TERA's success remains to be seen. But I think we can all see where it's going...

In short, those three games are being bled for every penny they're going to squeeze out of them. EQ2, LOTRO and SWTOR are freemiums in full force developing content.

I'd be ok with an OPTIONAL F2P model (Freemium), but I just don't want to bother with micro transactions.

I played Aion when it first came out for a couple months when it was a sub game, I can't really remember much about it because it was pretty plain. The only reason I tried it out was because I wasnt playing any other mmo's at the time and wanted to give it a shot. Since it went F2P the game is still the same so why would I bother going back to it just because its free?

I bought a digital copy of Tera for $15 (says alot for a game that drops a box price this much so fast) a couple months after it launched and only played it to see what all the stink was about with the combat. I didnt find it to be anything special and the rest of the game felt like I was in kiddie fairy land so I only lasted 3 days and uninstalled it. Since it went F2P the game is not any better than when I bought it so what is the point of playing it just because its free? I got an email from them with a package that I can get because I paid money for a copy that I will never use because the game has been uninstalled.

I never wanted to try Lineage 2, its not something that interested me and it being F2P means absolutly nothing to me. I still won't play it just because its free.

Same story with DCUO, SWtOR, LOtRO and any other games I tried and didnt like that went F2P.

For some reason I read the title of this thread as "pregnant model".

What's your point? Every game you don't like goes F2P? And you are wrong - Aion has had some large updates since it first launched. And I'm sure Tera has too.

How am I wrong? The games are still the same and arent fun for me, just because they went F2P they should be fun now? I don't care if they had updates they are still the same game, unless the update changed the game to something else. They all went F2P because they couldnt afford to stay with a sub model because they were failing to hold on to their population. Its funny how you can't seem to understand that. No game with a healthy population would drasticly change their business model.

/agree 150% Got the same email as well, a quick "delete" and my inbox is just fine, again. Altho I get these types from STO as well. "Hey, you like to PVP, come on back and get those 250 keys, we got another P2W ship in a lockbox". Delete button sure gets some usage on my email account.

Again - I really don't see what your point is. It's the same situation with P2P games. WoW is still the same old boring game I quit. I'm not saying because they're F2P that they should instantly be fun. I'm saying that there are games out there that are completely F2P.

Also, Tera is changing their model. I thought it was quite a popular game.

Cash shops are much more of a money grab than subs. I hope this game has a P2P model. Free to play just reeks of either a last desperate move to survive, or some crappy pay to win game. I'd rather developers work on something everyone can enjoy than new items to sell in a cash shop.

Seems like a lot of misinformed people aren't reading my posts on F2P. Yes, it may sometimes be a desperate move to survive. Not all cash shops are pay-to-win. And if this game is P2P, it's still probably going to have a cash shop.

I don't see your point, all your doing is listing a whole bunch of crappy games that are free to play because the populations all left the game. Tera was a huge failure, thats why it is changing its model. You think they had a healthy population and were making money and just one day decided that they would go F2P instead?

And I don't see your point. I'm listing a whole bunch of IN YOUR OPINION "crappy" games that are free-to-play where the population hasn't all left the game because people keep saying that no game is truly free-to-play and free-to-play is just an illusion. I don't know what is going on with Tera, but I would assume they're going F2P because they aren't getting as many new players and F2P will bring in a bunch of new players that may want to spend money in the cash shop.

LotRO isnt that bad, if you take the time to, you can play truely for free, I have and will always be a free account. 2 years of gaming at no cost is awesome in my book. I have almost all quest content unlocked with points I earned by playing the game like normal.

Its nothing like Aion thats truely F2P, but the hybrid system Turbine employs is the best of both worlds (people sub AND play for free)

Actually I think there's just a lot of people that disagree with you rather than a lot of mis-informed people. Also I agree with Eric in that I've played TERA and Aion and such as well and I actually managed to scraqe a month on Aion and 2 months on TERA but the fact that they're F2P doesn't change the fact that quite simply, they're really not that great of game. Sure they're free, but I'll take a game that I have to pay monthly for that's FUN and that can keep me entertained for months if not years over some game that I can play for free that doesn't hold my interest whatsoever.

Just because something's free isn't a big deal or even a sign it's good or anything, in fact generally most games go F2P because they have a declining playerbase because they're simply just not that good (or in LOTRO's case very old). I don't have all that much money but I'll happily pay for quality, content and fun rather than simply play a free game that isn't nearly as good.

I want BTP w/ microtransactions. I wouldn't mind a higher buy to play though. Like 60-80$ to help offset some of the microtransaciton costs.

I would like P2P but ill meet down the middle and say a bit of both.

How about a monthly sub of €18 and you have access to every single item in the game including all the items in the cash shop(they drop in the world and can only be bough on the A/H but sub members) plus 50% off all expansions as long as you are paying a sub.

Then we can have a B2P option but you do not have access to anything in the cash shop unless you actually pay for it plus you pay full price for any expansions.

Monthly subs please.

Whoa, way too much monthly. I'm still in college and can barely afford the $15 let alone the 66% sub increase there. I wouldn't mind the rest of the model though

Same here, while I do like P2P that's just a bit much for my taste. Mind you, if textbooks weren't so damn expensive then I'd easily be able to afford that -.-

Personal preference, it's not Diablo 2, but it's not an utter fail. There's too much [censored]ing about the game that isn't half bad. I went trough inferno with 2 characters without ever having to use the Auction Hall so the joke's on all the people that go on about how it's impossible to play the game without using it. Also I tried it out with a couple of characters later on and I also don't see what's so bad about the thing, it's practically the same thing as an in-game merchant, except it's more useful if you've got the cash.

Now, the fact that the AH is flooded with too much stuff is only because there's too much people with too much time who've got nothing better to do than to farm 24/7 and sell [censored] for the gold, but the charm of the Auction Hall is that it's, imagine this- completely optional.

I don't care if TESO will have this sort of bazaar, I just hope it'll be monthly free, but I don't see that happening.