[Killah Bee]

however thats not the case, the terms of the contract was specified as a set number of days: 30. the fact that there is a delay now is unrelated and because for what ever reason BGS has dropped the ball on getting DG ready for release on the other platforms. although its plain to see that there are people who vocally propose that BGS is deliberately with holding the product from them just to spite the consumer.



That is ridiculous.

Said it before, but here it is again.....It's very possible that the "30 exclusive" time didn't start until it was released for ALL Xbox 360 platforms....that would include the FIGS version, which didn't get released til roughly 2 Weeks after it was released for the English versions....

[Unstoppable Judge]

And you condone these practices? They add no value, they simply piss off a bunch of gamers. The industry would be better off if these bullying tactics were eradicated, so I will continue to voice my discontent, but I thank you for your input.

I don't condone them and I wish they didn't exist. I recognize that when a game developer like Bethesda has to spend tens of millions of dollars to make a game like Skyrim they have to be responsible. Before Skyrim launched, the people at Bethesda didn't know it would be successful. They could hope or assume it would be, but you can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions.

Bethesda took this deal with Microsoft because Microsoft offered a sum of money that would help cover the cost of making Skyrim. If Skyrim didn't sell so many copies, they would need other ways to recover the tens of millions of dollars they spent paying the salaries of programmers and artists who worked on Skyrim for years.

I know consumers don't care about the business side of the game industry, but this is why I say it is important to understand this stuff. These companies aren't trying to screw you, they are trying to make million dollar games responsibly, without going bankrupt.

[Laura Mclean]

I wish people could see outside their own selfish sphere of consumption. You're not being disrespected because the game content isn't on all platforms. It isn't some insult or offense. It is part of the video game industry. Microsoft has exclusives like Halo and Gears of War, Sony has exclusives like God of War and Uncharted, Nintendo has exclusives like Mario and Zelda. You have to be willing to understand and accept the way the game industry works. You're not being discriminated against, this is just the nature of the industry.

Assassin's Creed and Red Dead Redemption each have exclusive content only to Sony. Bethesda has Xbox exclusivity launch dates. Everyone wins some of the time and everyone loses some of the time. But its nothing personal, and it doesn't mean Bethesda or any other company doesn't care about you, or is ignoring you. This is part of the video game industry, if you are going to buy and play video games, then you need to understand this.

You act as if we are stupid. Yes this I know however this is not an exclusive, it was released on more then one platform. The fact that they are honoring one and not the others is just wrong. I got this for PS3 just for the fact that the graphics on the PS3 are amazing. We were promised DLC would be coming out for this game and we have been looking forward to it. It has been 8 months and yes I am still looking for the DLC. Wait its out for the Xbox and not PS3 or PC. I for one am appalled that Bethesda has done this and if you think I will take it lightly then no I will not. I for one will no longer be supporting a company who supports doing this to their fans and will no longer be purchasing any other games made by them until this is resolved.

[Tarka]

And you condone these practices? They add no value, they simply piss off a bunch of gamers. The industry would be better off if these bullying tactics were eradicated, so I will continue to voice my discontent, but I thank you for your input.

Indeed, there are way to many short sighted people who seem to think this an acceptable practice.
Probably find most of them in this thread own an xbox. If the shoe was on the other foot on the other hand.......................

[Myles]

Skyrim was the fastest selling title on Steam ever.
We modders on PC make you more money with our free mods than you will ever get from Microsoft for an exclusive.
I really don't get why you do this.
As a result and protest over the latest announcment, I will pull my mods off Workshop until Dawnguard is released on PC.

[Gill Mackin]

Skyrim was the fastest selling title on Steam ever.
We modders on PC make you more money with our free mods than you will ever get from Microsoft for an exclusive.
I really don't get why you do this.
As a result and protest over the latest announcment, I will pull my mods off Workshop until Dawnguard is released on PC.

That's not going to mean a thing to Bethesda or Steam for that matter. It's not as if they actually get anything for those mods being on the workshop.

All your doing to affecting the players who use your mods.

[Emily Jeffs]

Skyrim was the fastest selling title on Steam ever.
We modders on PC make you more money with our free mods than you will ever get from Microsoft for an exclusive.
I really don't get why you do this.
As a result and protest over the latest announcment, I will pull my mods off Workshop until Dawnguard is released on PC.

To them it is free money, the don't get the human side involving people actually getting pissed off and taking their buisness elswhere eventually.
They always go for the quick hit and never play the long, and I mean the real long game which involves established game companies becoming bankrupt.
After all, the publishers dont give a [censored] about the game, they only understand the money.

[Sandeep Khatkar]

I don't condone them and I wish they didn't exist. I recognize that when a game developer like Bethesda has to spend tens of millions of dollars to make a game like Skyrim they have to be responsible. Before Skyrim launched, the people at Bethesda didn't know it would be successful. They could hope or assume it would be, but you can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions.

Bethesda took this deal with Microsoft because Microsoft offered a sum of money that would help cover the cost of making Skyrim. If Skyrim didn't sell so many copies, they would need other ways to recover the tens of millions of dollars they spent paying the salaries of programmers and artists who worked on Skyrim for years.

I know consumers don't care about the business side of the game industry, but this is why I say it is important to understand this stuff. These companies aren't trying to screw you, they are trying to make million dollar games responsibly, without going bankrupt.

The problem with companies these days is that they are too concerned with their short term profits and don't think long term. Pissing off your customers has complex long term consequences which are difficult to discern (particularly when strong competition suddenly enters the picture). You can never go wrong if you treat your customers right. Besides, Bethesda is a big player now, and TES is hugely successful; they were guaranteed to turn a profit.

[Jessica Lloyd]

You act as if we are stupid. Yes this I know however this is not an exclusive, it was released on more then one platform. The fact that they are honoring one and not the others is just wrong. I got this for PS3 just for the fact that the graphics on the PS3 are amazing. We were promised DLC would be coming out for this game and we have been looking forward to it. It has been 8 months and yes I am still looking for the DLC. Wait its out for the Xbox and not PS3 or PC. I for one am appalled that Bethesda has done this and if you think I will take it lightly then no I will not. I for one will no longer be supporting a company who supports doing this to their fans and will no longer be purchasing any other games made by them until this is resolved.

You just completely ignored his comment. Like he said, this is no different to the Red Dead Redemption or Assassins creed III exclusivity, it is a business decision to give them money to profit and replace that which was lost during Skyrim's long production time. If anybody here bothered to pay attention to what happened for Fallout New Vegas, you could see this coming a mile off. You will get the DLC, late August if the New Vegas scenario is anything to go by which means it will also be announced early August - im talking less than a week into it. The 30 day exclusivity didn't mean 30 days until it is released for other platforms, it simply meant 30 set days where other platforms had absolutely no chance of acquiring the DLC, after that is up, Bethesda can do what they want, at their own will and pace. A lot of this hate is stemming from people's own perception of the advertising, and naive assumptions. If you look back, this was all extremely predictable.

[Bloomer]

Exclusives are wrong in many ways.
Is my money not good enough because I use a PC?
I am already European so I am shafted twice. I have to wait longer for games to release in general AND I am a PC User so I get an extra wait.

[Life long Observer]

After all, the publishers dont give a [censored] about the game, they only understand the money.

If that's the case, then the best strategy would be to release the PC/PS3 version of the DLC ASAP, because that earns them more money. Right now a large part of the Skyrim fanbase is unable to purchase their DLC.

Which makes me think that there is a good reason that they're delaying it. There were http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1394651-invisible-armorsdeath-hounds-and-more-bugs/ with the FIGS release (French, Italian, German, Spanish) of the DLC, so it could be that they're trying to sort out similar issues before releasing the DLC on the other platforms.

Or maybe they just need a little more time to sort things out with Sony for the PS3 release. The whole console certification process always seems to take forever.

[michael flanigan]

Console cert is no valid reason to let PC users wait. Console users know about that when they buy their system.
Steam pushes new DLC quite fast.
And, after all and as I already pointed out, the modders are the ones that make this game to what it is and make it sell longer than many other games.
People still buy Morrowind and Oblivion for the mods.

[Juanita Hernandez]

Console cert is no valid reason to let PC users wait. Console users know about that when they buy their system.
Steam pushes new DLC quite fast.
And, after all and as I already pointed out, the modders are the ones that make this game to what it is and make it sell longer than many other games.
People still buy Morrowind and Oblivion for the mods.

And people will still buy this game for the mods far down the line. People still buy Fallout New Vegas for the mods despite the fact that it was also handed Xbox exclusive DLC for a short period. This equates to nothing, the people raging on these here forums represent a minute amount of the total people who bought this game, and who are yet to buy it.

[Amysaurusrex]

And people will still buy this game for the mods far down the line. People still buy Fallout New Vegas for the mods despite the fact that it was also handed Xbox exclusive DLC for a short period. This equates to nothing, the people raging on these here forums represent a minute amount of the total people who bought this game, and who are yet to buy it.

Your statement is correct, only a low percentage use the forums. A friend of mine hates forums. But he is still disappointed and sad about things like this and does stop buying certain games if it is bad enough. Like he stopped buying EA Games or others.

[RaeAnne]

Your statement is correct, only a low percentage use the forums. A friend of mine hates forums. But he is still disappointed and sad about things like this and does stop buying certain games if it is bad enough. Like he stopped buying EA Games or others.

Yet this is still going to represent a small amount of people overall. Most gamers simply don't care about this sort of thing unless it's pretty serious - which this isn't. Most of the console users are casual gamers, most of the PC users won't care because they have mods instead. People still buy Call of Duty and it's DLC every year despite the fact that nothing ever changes, people bought Operation Flashpoint Red River despite the fact that Dragon Rising was a complete and utter disgraceful mess, people bought into Battlefield 3 Premium despite the fact that it was blatantly a late business decision to svck more money from users.

[Nymph]

Console cert is no valid reason to let PC users wait. Console users know about that when they buy their system.
Steam pushes new DLC quite fast.
And, after all and as I already pointed out, the modders are the ones that make this game to what it is and make it sell longer than many other games.
People still buy Morrowind and Oblivion for the mods.

Agreed. Heck, I still install Morrowind every once in a while just to peruse the vast amount of modding the community has produced. Never played Oblivion on the PC but I'm sure folks did quite a lot for that game too. Moving from Xbox to PS3 I was happy Skyrim released for both systems simultaneously. Having to wait for Dawnguard, to me, isn't a huge deal. But then again, I have more than one game in my collection other than Skyrim to occupy waiting time with.

[CHANONE]

The only reason I would become angry is if the content was simply not released for all platforms... including Wii! I'll be livid if I don't get it to enhance my Wii Skyrim! We know this is not the case and however folks may feel about a timed exclusive, the fact is PS3 and PC will get it. There can be plenty of debate about business practices and whatnot, but in the end once it releases folks will most likely forget about this extended forum discussion and be either fighting with, or against, the vampire questline. Those that choose to walk away from Bethseda in general will be replaced with other people new to their games and coming material.

[Vickey Martinez]

Monitoring these threads must be hell for the moderators.

[Charlotte Buckley]

Monitoring these threads must be hell for the moderators.

I bet.

[Kirsty Wood]

But with all the delay, does that not also mean they are fixing the xbox 360 glitches and making sure them glitches wont happen for other platforms ??

[Christine Pane]

But with all the delay, does that not also mean they are fixing the xbox 360 glitches and making sure them glitches wont happen for other platforms ??

Quite possible. We can only guess.

[Beulah Bell]

The fact that im not sure if it's coming this summer makes me "CRAZY" Yes people "CRAZY" they said it will come in "this coming weeks" i dont know about that hahahaha! but i think they will lost some money if it will come out in september or october because some badass games are coming like MEDAL OF HONOR and ASSASINS CREED 3

Do you guys think so too?

[Victoria Vasileva]

well this was obviously guna happen wasn't it.


lied to before release and then ignored with respects to patches and ANY info.

Why what is the reason for it........ 360 got kinect stuff PC get mod tools which is awesome and PS3 got what ahh that's right a collective kick to the nuts from Bethesda.
whats the point in saying DG is a 30 exclusive when after 30 days you announce "no planes to bring it to other platforms"

[Gavin Roberts]

But with all the delay, does that not also mean they are fixing the xbox 360 glitches and making sure them glitches wont happen for other platforms ??

One would hope that this is the case, to be told this officially is all it would take to make upteem threads on "is it there yet?" go away.
But there is a distinct lack of decisiveness come from Beth, either due to the fact that lawyers are so deeply involved in this or just a lack of anyone with the balls to come forward and say so.
Who knows, maybe they have to go through Beth's laywers and in turn M$ layers just to make sure someone somewhere deosn't feel like some contract has been broken.

Has the game industry really come down to this, the very form of entertainment you use to get away from this [censored] in real life?

[Josh Lozier]

well this was obviously guna happen wasn't it.


lied to before release and then ignored with respects to patches and ANY info.

Why what is the reason for it........ 360 got kinect stuff PC get mod tools which is awesome and PS3 got what ahh that's right a collective kick to the nuts from Bethesda.
whats the point in saying DG is a 30 exclusive when after 30 days you announce "no planes to bring it to other platforms"

Salute to you my man!