Pony Effect Thread #64

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 pm

On the bright side PA and Bioware are going to have to go to PAX and live down a live in person [censored] storm. They will need nothing less than the God Emperor's Finest to protect them. Even then I have my doubts.

I feel quite bad for them: the people who'll likely find themselves on the receiving end will most likely not be the same ones who were instrumental in causing any aggravation. I hope nobody lets things get out of hand.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:38 am

Bioware brought this on themselves,what they said they would accomplish in relation to the endings did not live up to what was delivered.In an other industry if you spun lie after lie about a product and customers were not happy you would make it right of find yourself in court.I am not sure why gaming developers seem to be above the law in this regards,either way Bioware are going from bad to worse just look at the joke that was Dragon Age 2.They never seem to learn there lesson from past failures.
This is a big wake up call for them. We're really starting to hurt their bottom line. I honestly think people are finally just sick of their [censored] too. This could be years of repressed anger at a lot of the things they've done. You know, I feel particularly viscous right now. I could say I would be happy if it destroyed them as a company. Serve as the ultimate lesson for other game companies you don't take your fans for granted.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:11 pm

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/Penny-Arcade-Reasons-for-Stopping-the-donation-READ-BEFORE-OTHER-THREAD-10498623-1.html

More on the Child's Play issue. If this really is the case, then I can definitely understand why PA would shut down the donations. In fact, what concerns me a lot more are some of the people mentioned in that statement


She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back.

I mean, REALLY, internet? Could people sink any lower?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:21 pm

I almost feel that I shouldn't finish the game... but I know that I must. I must be brave, and face the endings with courage. I will hold the line! I expect to be done with the game in hours. Just need to get readiness rating up with dreaded multiplayer, do some side missions and the main ones. My current one is
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I'm going in to fight this war. And I don't expect to come out alive.
Cheesy, I know.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:02 pm

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/Penny-Arcade-Reasons-for-Stopping-the-donation-READ-BEFORE-OTHER-THREAD-10498623-1.html

More on the Child's Play issue. If this really is the case, then I can definitely understand why PA would shut down the donations. In fact, what concerns me a lot more are some of the people mentioned in that statement


I mean, REALLY, internet? Could people sink any lower?

I honestly don't know what to believe. On the one hand this has obviously become political which automatically makes me sceptical of the things I hear, especially allegations of people trying to claw back money from charity; on the other hand, "internet", as you say.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:18 pm

This retake movement is beginning to feel a lot like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7nq-r7QWW0
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:23 pm

This is a big wake up call for them. We're really starting to hurt their bottom line. I honestly think people are finally just sick of their [censored] too. This could be years of repressed anger at a lot of the things they've done. You know, I feel particularly viscous right now. I could say I would be happy if it destroyed them as a company. Serve as the ultimate lesson for other game companies you don't take your fans for granted.
I'm like you I would not mind seeing them go under myself,they are no longer in any way shape of form the company they used to be.I hope the guy that's planning on taking them to the federal trade commission actually goes through with it.http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/19/fan-makes-ftc-complaint-over-mass-effect-3-ending-but-it-wont-hold-water/
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:36 pm

Some guys on the Bioware forums are saying that some people actually thought the donation money was for a new ending, and cancelled their donation when they found out it wasn't? :facepalm:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:33 am

Some guys on the Bioware forums are saying that some people actually thought the donation money was for a new ending, and cancelled their donation when they found out it wasn't? :facepalm:
LOL classic.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 am

Some guys on the Bioware forums are saying that some people actually thought the donation money was for a new ending, and cancelled their donation when they found out it wasn't? :facepalm:

I don't know if that's been substantiated: given that there's already some indication that there's been some dirty fighting, I'm suspicious, especially of the part where it was claimed that a "high number" had asked for their donation back. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but given the way events have unfolded, I smell a rat. Still, true or not, it seems to have had the desired effect judging by some reactions I've seen.

In other news, I support the movement that's campaigning for Marauder Shields to be a full squad member. And I also want KEI-9, the robo-mabari, to do something useful too. Even if it's just catching the space hamster.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:14 pm

I don't know if that's been substantiated: given that there's already some indication that there's been some dirty fighting, I'm suspicious, especially of the part where it was claimed that a "high number" had asked for their donation back. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but given the way events have unfolded, I smell a rat. Still, true or not, it seems to have had the desired effect judging by some reactions I've seen.

Visit the Bioware forums a little more often, and I guarantee you'll find it much easier to believe.

Especially with posts like this one:

All of this makes me sick.

This Child's play Charity slapped you guys across the face, damn right you should take that back.
IMO it was a stupid cause anyway.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:13 pm

Visit the Bioware forums a little more often, and I guarantee you'll find it much easier to believe.

I've usually only hung around its Off-Topic section which is often quite slow moving, so I'm unfamiliar with the general background. I have seen plenty of vitriol from all sides here, but I'd assumed it was just because of current events.

One thing that bothers me, though: even if these allegations are true, it strikes me as odd that they should go public at a time when feelings are running high. If it wasn't done as an attempt to smear the Retake guys (and to be clear, I don't consider myself one of them, though I do agree that Bioware should change the ending) I think it was remarkably misguided.

Edit: regarding that quote, that is an idiotic thing to say, whoever they are. I've seen a lot of unhelpful comments from both "sides" that have left me facepalming and were so crass that I almost wondered if they're trying to discredit each other. Although I stand by my comment about the timing of this allegation being less than ideal, perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised at what some people are doing (hopefully a minority!)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:29 am

I think Bioware officially snapped form all the pressure. They're locking all topics about us trying to rally and discuss stuff about the retake movement. Even topics about starting a new charity. Child's Play is shutting down our donation drive as well. Why? Penny Arcade get paid to make comics for Bioware/EA. Bioware/EA is also I think a contributor to the donation. So we're getting shut down "because of pressure". This is like a full scale military crack down and we can't lose. Bioware officially went nazi on us. Please do inform everyone you can. Perhaps something more drastic is in need to show them how upset we are. We've been fairly civil and cordial so far. It doesn't seem to me like Bioware shares the sentiment. Not to mention there's rumors Bioware/EA is paying off game news sites to write bad pres son us to try and weaken our movement.
http://penny-arcade.com/2012/03/21/childs-play-and-retake-mass-effect and it's attempt to tie in to Child's Play, instead of twisting it around to make it about EA/Bioware being evil overlords and all that. It was an interesting idea, but the issues it brings up for a very excellent charity are problematic.

I understand, truly I do, that people are passionate about the ME3 thing, but as always, keep a sensible perspective on things. Sure conspiracy theories are way more entertaining and all, but they are often simply untrue.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:31 pm

Our goals were stated quite clearly on the main donations page. I find it hard to believe that a significant amount of people e-mailed Penny Arcade directly to ask if they're paying for new endings. Their opinion of us was quite clear from day one, anyway. We simply wanted to channel our rage into something productive and we have accomplished that. $80, 000 went to a good cause. Everyone who wants to donate can still do so, just not under our banner. I agree it is a petty move on behalf of the founders (charities are used to promote causes all the time, they can only benefit from the money + many people only heard of their charity because of the movement), but that doesn't diminish the work done. It was great to see the community working together like that.

edit: wow, Povuholo is a mod now? :) I totally don't visit here often enough.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:26 pm

Visit the Bioware forums a little more often, and I guarantee you'll find it much easier to believe.

Actually I'm left thinking I should visit them a bit less often. Having looked around the ME3 spoilers section, there's quite a lot of nastiness going on in there: no particular "side" and I guess just a very vocal minority (given that it's the same names coming up again and again) but it's getting rather unpleasant. Then again, I suppose I could just try to resist the temptation to read anything to do with retake, charities and so on.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:43 pm

Love the glow of my Shepard's red eyes from underneath my Cerberus helm.

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Glad I didn't have to kill Mordin, made him see the error of the cure.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:24 pm

I would love to keep Mass Effect 3 but I can't. Mass Effect for me ends after you stop Soverign. I'll still keep Mass Effect 2 but I can't keep 3. It's a shame too, so many high moments but all of it is ruined by a terrible ending and massive amount of Autodialoge from Shepard. I love Hale but I also like Choices in conversations and the ability to Roleplay, can't do both if it's autodialoge.

Bioware did this to themselves, I'll feel much better after I traded in my copy later today.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:47 pm

I would love to keep Mass Effect 3 but I can't. Mass Effect for me ends after you stop Soverign. I'll still keep Mass Effect 2 but I can't keep 3. It's a shame too, so many high moments but all of it is ruined by a terrible ending and massive amount of Autodialoge from Shepard. I love Hale but I also like Choices in conversations and the ability to Roleplay, can't do both if it's autodialoge.

Bioware did this to themselves, I'll feel much better after I traded in my copy later today.
You can't just enjoy the game for what it is? If you're arguement is that the pay-off is so poor it negates replay value I ask do you never replay any games ever?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 am

My favorite mission in Mass Effect 1 was Virmire, that whole sequence from Virmire on to the end is incredible. The ending to that game is incredible, easily the high point of the series right there, a shame that everything goes down hill from there.

My Favorite Mission in Mass Effect 2 is easily the suicide mission, that whole level was incredibly done, a shame that the final boss was a huge letdown.

My favorite Mission in Mass Effect 3 would have to be a tie between tuchanka, Citadel, Rannoch and Horizon. Can't really choose a better one then those 4.

You can't just enjoy the game for what it is? If you're arguement is that the pay-off is so poor it negates replay value I ask do you never replay any games ever?

There's plenty of games that I replay including Mass Effect 1. I don't see the point with Mass Effect 3 though. Everything is basically the same, the same could be true for games like Fallout 3 and New Vegas but both of those games I could setup differently everytime. I don't know if I can do that with Mass Effect 3.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:15 pm

My favorite mission in Mass Effect 1 was Virmire, that whole sequence from Virmire on to the end is incredible. The ending to that game is incredible, easily the high point of the series right there, a shame that everything goes down hill from there.

My Favorite Mission in Mass Effect 2 is easily the suicide mission, that whole level was incredibly done, a shame that the final boss was a huge letdown.

My favorite Mission in Mass Effect 3 would have to be a tie between tuchanka, Citadel, Rannoch and Horizon. Can't really choose a better one then those 4.

There's plenty of games that I replay including Mass Effect 1. I don't see the point with Mass Effect 3 though. Everything is basically the same, the same could be true for games like Fallout 3 and New Vegas but both of those games I could setup differently everytime. I don't know if I can do that with Mass Effect 3.

You have tied between four levels on ME3, you're telling me that ten minutes at the end spoils all that? I guess it's a valid perspective but I just can't see it. I deplore almost everything that Fallout 3 has done to Fallout canon, I could go on for a pretty damn long time, but I played the game almost exclusively from it's release to that of New Vegas because I just made my own fun in it. I wanted to play Mass Effect as the Cerberus poster-boy but instead I got the exact opposite, so I just "pretend" I guess that things are playing out differently; I invent my own reaons for actions instead of relying on the games.

I don't let damage to the canon effect my playing of the game, I save all that immense bile for the Fallout section :D
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:59 pm

Forbes' comments on shutting down the Retake ME3 Child's Play drive. I kind of see where Penny Arcade is coming from.

It makes complete sense to me, honestly.

But, then, I've been feeling that the whole "hold the line"/"retake ME" thing has gone so far over the edge that I have a hard time taking it seriously. (/personalopinion)

Yes, the ending svcks. But rioting in an attempt to get a creative work changed seems like a bad concept, in general. (I was also not a fan of Broken Steel changing the - lousy - end of Fallout 3. Especially since it didn't actually improve the game, but made it worse.)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:20 am

Yes, the ending svcks. But rioting in an attempt to get a creative work changed seems like a bad concept, in general. (I was also not a fan of Broken Steel changing the - lousy - end of Fallout 3. Especially since it didn't actually improve the game, but made it worse.)
My sentiments exactly, it was over-hyped yes but so are many things; is that en excuse? No, of course not. They lied in advertising and should be punished accordingly, that is their crime. But their story is their story and allowing the wills of people's wallets to influence someone elses creation is just all kinds of wrong; if its [censored], it's [censored] and that's sad but that's what they wanted to tell I guess. Do you (consumers) pay someone to write a good book or make a good movie? No, the product is made and then you judge it. Your personal investment in the story pales in comparision to that of it's design team, it was they who came up with the choices, wrote all the dialouge, crafted all the scenes and, you know, made the games.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:54 am

My sentiments exactly, it was over-hyped yes but so are many things; is that en excuse? No, of course not. They lied in advertising and should be punished accordingly, that is their crime. But their story is their story and allowing the wills of people's wallets to influence someone elses creation is just all kinds of wrong; if its [censored], it's [censored] and that's sad but that's what they wanted to tell I guess. Do you (consumers) pay someone to write a good book or make a good movie? No, the product is made and then you judge it. Your personal investment in the story pales in comparision to that of it's design team, it was they who came up with the choices, wrote all the dialouge, crafted all the scenes and, you know, made the games.

I'd go as far as to say there is an obligation for people involved in the entertainment business to meet their customers' expectations. It's all very well to say "but it's art!" but the situation changes when the people who are ultimately funding it have been sold one idea and received something entirely different.

It's not as if it's something new: if Charles dikeens can rewrite one of his books after the ending was poorly received, I don't really see why Bioware consider themselves above doing the same and it does make the claims of "artistic integrity" sound a little overblown.

What's more surprising is that EA haven't leant on Bioware to get it together, probably at their own expense. However you look at it, ending the series on such a controversial note can't be good for business: I'd have thought it would be in their interests to make sure things don't get to the point where their customers vote with their wallets...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:42 pm

I'd go as far as to say there is an obligation for people involved in the entertainment business to meet their customers' expectations. It's all very well to say "but it's art!" but the situation changes when the people who are ultimately funding it have been sold one idea and received something entirely different.

They aren't really funding it though, completely different. They are justifying it's existance to the actual people whom fund it, the dev teams employers.

It's not as if it's something new: if Charles dikeens can rewrite one of his books after the ending was poorly received, I don't really see why Bioware consider themselves above doing the same and it does make the claims of "artistic integrity" sound a little overblown.

It's entirely the perogative of the artisan in question, it's their creation, period, so what right does anyone else have to demand they change it? I don't see the point either in pointing to someone and saying "If it's good enough for them," entirely dikeens choice, maybe he needed money - I don't know anything about the man apart from that most of his stories were initially published in serials. If he's willing to sucumb to peer pressure then that's him; I've always been a "stick to your guns" person.

What's more surprising is that EA haven't leant on Bioware to get it together, probably at their own expense. However you look at it, ending the series on such a controversial note can't be good for business: I'd have thought it would be in their interests to make sure things don't get to the point where their customers vote with their wallets...

Perhaps but I'm not all that familiar with game companies and such, EA publishes and makes games; games that I may or may not end up playing. :shrug: That's my only real knowledge on them as a company.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:52 pm

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Only Shepard as in "every squad mate lives?", because that cannot be done. Shepard only dies if you have one or less living squad mates by the end of the mission, so the only way for Shep to die is for everyone else to die as well.
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So only one can make it in order for Shep to die? Interesting

Why would you want to do that?
Why not....
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