[Dean Ashcroft]

I have been following the Dawnguard thread for sometime, as I am a PS3 user. But Ihad a thought, why release it now? If HF is a 30 day exclusive, why not release them both at the same time? If you get DG now, why look forward to HF?

Its all about that bottom line. I can see it now. Beth Blog posts Dawnguard/ Hearthfire now available for PS3!

Point is if DG came out this week, a lot would DL now, and if HF came out the weak of Oct 4th, a lot would DL then. But if you are on the PSN, and both are available, You Will DL both at the same time.

If you are here to say you are gonna boycott the DLC, please go post on FB. You are just as anxious as every other PS3 Skyrim owner:)

This is my best hope, weak of Ost 4th. BTW, it makes logical sense to release both at the same time, and DO NOT expect a Discount.

this would make sense but one problem, if they do wait that would push dawnguard's release back even more, witch would not help bethesda right now when even places like usa today are picking this whole thing up. so overall bad for business unless the idea would be to sell Dawnguard & heartfire at the same time for 20 bucks to say sorry, ( in a way ) that would be good for business. just my opinion.

[lillian luna]

If you are gonna spend 20, you will spend 25,lol.

[Nicola]

If you are gonna spend 20, you will spend 25,lol.

not really, most people would look at it like this, hmm 2 dlcs for 20 bucks thats a good deal. if its 25 bucks some people will feel cheated not enough bang for there buck just because of how small heartfire is.

[Nana Samboy]

this would make sense but one problem, if they do wait that would push dawnguard's release back even more, witch would not help bethesda right now when even places like usa today are picking this whole thing up. so overall bad for business unless the idea would be to sell Dawnguard & heartfire at the same time for 20 bucks to say sorry, ( in a way ) that would be good for business. just my opinion.

This. Dawnguard has been delayed enough as it is.

[Eduardo Rosas]

So essentially, "If you guys continue to speak your minds on this subject we're going to shut you down since it's bad PR for us." Way to win over your fan base Bethesda. I have never felt like I didn't matter to a company as much as yours. Hell, you would find more love and positivity at the DMV.

The moderators don't work for Bethesda, they just officiate the forums. So what they say or do isn't a direct reflection from Bethesda themselves.

You can even be more effcient if you get to the fire before it spreads out of control.

I'm ok with the mods telling poeple off for going overboard because you are doing what you are meant to be doing.

But I am not ok with you asking to try and control our venting right now because we are at the rage point because you are asking way more than you think i'm sure you know (we've all experience rage once in our lives) and sometimes depending on the person you asking way more than others.

Now granted you did say try but even still asking way to much at this point, like me for an example if I see an other PC or Xbox gamer quick remark i'll lose it and well attack the guy because it getting to the point where now they seem to be doing it on badness.

Ro' said specifically he, nor the other mods, mind venting. He goes on to explain how venting and even complaining is fine. That's what these threads are basically for. It's when the venting goes outside the rules and becomes something else entirely when they have to take action. When it leads to rude, unnecessary, crude, insulting, outrageous, etc statements that's what they mean by stay civil.

Yup but that tends to happen when your slowly loseing the plot because now it seem that every PC and Xbox users remarks are always insulting you over and over agian and then thier Beth history with PS3 gamers which a good few I would say have came from fallout, so now adding more insult to injery. I'm suprise it's now at the breaking point after all these years.

What Xbox and PC users are insulting anyone?



Anyway, can anyone tell me when the last tweet from Hines was regarding the PS3 Dawnguard issue? I just want to know the date of it. I want to put a list together of all the updates and times Bethesda communicated about the issue and present it to one of my business professors to see what they think about it. I'm interested to get some of my professor's opinions on this whole debacle.




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[danni Marchant]

I normally don't like IGN, but some of the views on this show are representative of many PS3 users. Watch this video ( http://au.ign.com/videos/2012/09/10/game-scoop-episode-259-part-1) and really listen to what Colin Moriarty is saying in the second half of the show. This is why we are angry, and why your company needs to do something to rectify it’s reputation and ensure strong future sales on the PS3. Please gstaff, bring these legitimate concerns to the devs, and just try to get your PR staff to communicate.

[Courtney Foren]

I see there have not been any updates as of yet. You know that they want to get it out before christmas...and i hope they do. It will be here soon guys...just HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOOOOOOLLLLLDD OONNNNNNN.....

[abi]

The moderators don't work for Bethesda, they just officiate the forums. So what they say or do isn't a direct reflection from Bethesda themselves.



Ro' said specifically he, nor the other mods, mind venting. He goes on to explain how venting and even complaining is fine. That's what these threads are basically for. It's when the venting goes outside the rules and becomes something else entirely when they have to take action. When it leads to rude, unnecessary, crude, insulting, outrageous, etc statements that's what they mean by stay civil.




What Xbox and PC users are insulting anyone?



Anyway, can anyone tell me when the last tweet from Hines was regarding the PS3 Dawnguard issue? I just want to know the date of it. I want to put a list together of all the updates and times Bethesda communicated about the issue and present it to one of my business professors to see what they think about it. I'm interested to get some of my professor's opinions on this whole debacle.




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Here is a link to the last tweet in which Hines directly names Dawnguard.

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/244501212492353537

I've been checking his feed every few days and he does seem to address the issue fairly frequently. However his response 90% of the time is saying he knows nothing or gives a cryptic non-answer that could mean anything.

[Emily Shackleton]

I'm more inclined to believe the two weeks before Halloween over mid-September. Not the week of Halloween necessarily because of the releases happening at that time, but a week or two before. Use the spooky hype to push vampires, maybe. I'm even more inclined to believe sometime around February, just kind of on impulse. I think we'll get Hearthfire before we get Dawnguard. Assuming they can find a workaround to the RAM issue (which seems to be the major problem?) we might even get the first simultaneous release DLC before we get Dawnguard depending on how far in development it is now. And maybe if they fix the RAM problem other problems might lessen or disappear entirely. It's not terribly uncommon.

[Rhi Edwards]

Well, I feel confident that I can say this while being "civil" and "mature"...in all honesty, if Dawnguard does not make it to the PS3, I will never, ever, ever in a million, billion, trillion years buy another Bethesda game again, not even if I die and am reincarnated. There's no excuse for it, period. If it takes that much more effort and is SO much more difficult to design content that works properly on the PS3 than any other platform, then they had better put forth that much more effort and take that much more time and spend that much more money to make it happen. That's all there is to it.

Any developer with integrity and pride in their work would have made sure that:

1. They had fixed all major/quest breaking bugs on ALL platforms BEFORE worrying about DLC.

2. They would have worked hard to make Dawnguard available for ALL platforms before worrying about any other DLC.

But I know, I know...I'm living in a fool's paradise.

[Sarah Bishop]

Here is a link to the last tweet in which Hines directly names Dawnguard.

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/244501212492353537

I've been checking his feed every few days and he does seem to address the issue fairly frequently. However his response 90% of the time is saying he knows nothing or gives a cryptic non-answer that could mean anything.

Pete Hines is a Public Relations VP. He can't spin information he hasn't been given. And to be honest, he's probably not that integral on the production level. His job is to work with the public by giving them the information he has been given to give to them.

It's like this. Information is like bread. The people who own the bread company pay some guys to make bread and some guys to sell bread and then other guys to drive the bread from the bakery to the store. Hines sells bread. Only instead of bread its information. But he can't give us bread if the truck that delivers the bread doesn't have bread for him. Maybe the oven's broken, maybe the power's out, or maybe someone broke in. The guy who drives the bread truck doesn't know. He just drives the bread to the guy who sells it.

When Pete Hines has bread for us, he'll give us bread. But the bakery hasn't given him any bread for us, and if he, as the bread-seller, speculates (or tries to sell crackers instead of bread because he doesn't have any bread) then he gets in big trouble because they don't pay him to sell crackers, they pay him to sell bread when there's bread to sell.

The anology falls apart if you tug too hard on the fact that there's an active money exchange in the anology but only an intrinsic-relevance money exchange in the reality, but it's still a good one.

[Ells]

.. and me, I don't have it either.

I know about pain, it's 5'4 red hair sitting on the couch playing Skyrim and I am married too it...yea that's pain

[Samantha Wood]

....Anyway, can anyone tell me when the last tweet from Hines was regarding the PS3 Dawnguard issue? I just want to know the date of it. I want to put a list together of all the updates and times Bethesda communicated about the issue and present it to one of my business professors to see what they think about it. I'm interested to get some of my professor's opinions on this whole debacle.

Quoted it again for clarity.

Pete Hines is a Public Relations VP. He can't spin information he hasn't been given. And to be honest, he's probably not that integral on the production level. His job is to work with the public by giving them the information he has been given to give to them.

It's like this. Information is like bread. The people who own the bread company pay some guys to make bread and some guys to sell bread and then other guys to drive the bread from the bakery to the store. Hines sells bread. Only instead of bread its information. But he can't give us bread if the truck that delivers the bread doesn't have bread for him. Maybe the oven's broken, maybe the power's out, or maybe someone broke in. The guy who drives the bread truck doesn't know. He just drives the bread to the guy who sells it.

When Pete Hines has bread for us, he'll give us bread. But the bakery hasn't given him any bread for us, and if he, as the bread-seller, speculates (or tries to sell crackers instead of bread because he doesn't have any bread) then he gets in big trouble because they don't pay him to sell crackers, they pay him to sell bread when there's bread to sell.

The anology falls apart if you tug too hard on the fact that there's an active money exchange in the anology but only an intrinsic-relevance money exchange in the reality, but it's still a good one.

I actually read your anology, i fail to get why you are giving it to me however. Xurts asked for some info, i gave it.

[Taylor Bakos]

Pete Hines is a Public Relations VP. He can't spin information he hasn't been given. And to be honest, he's probably not that integral on the production level. His job is to work with the public by giving them the information he has been given to give to them.

It's like this. Information is like bread. The people who own the bread company pay some guys to make bread and some guys to sell bread and then other guys to drive the bread from the bakery to the store. Hines sells bread. Only instead of bread its information. But he can't give us bread if the truck that delivers the bread doesn't have bread for him. Maybe the oven's broken, maybe the power's out, or maybe someone broke in. The guy who drives the bread truck doesn't know. He just drives the bread to the guy who sells it.

When Pete Hines has bread for us, he'll give us bread. But the bakery hasn't given him any bread for us, and if he, as the bread-seller, speculates (or tries to sell crackers instead of bread because he doesn't have any bread) then he gets in big trouble because they don't pay him to sell crackers, they pay him to sell bread when there's bread to sell.

The anology falls apart if you tug too hard on the fact that there's an active money exchange in the anology but only an intrinsic-relevance money exchange in the reality, but it's still a good one.

Wow...just...wow. I am cracking up!! i can't believe you ACTUALLY had to explain that to people! Great job friend! I take my hat off to you!

[Kat Lehmann]

Quoted it again for clarity.




I actually read your anology, i fail to get why you are giving it to me however. Xurts asked for some info, i gave it.

However his response 90% of the time is saying he knows nothing or gives a cryptic non-answer that could mean anything.

This is why. It's the explanation as to why his answers are all vague and non-answers.

[Floor Punch]

This is why. It's the explanation as to why his answers are all vague and non-answers.

Ok please don't take this the wrong way, but my point is why are you telling me anything here?

I know and have said multiple times in this massive thread that my opinion of Tweet Hines is that he is an over-paid functionary at best. Really, its unneeded things like your unnecessary clarification that spiral out of control and i'm going to leave the whole thing alone now.

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Xurts hope that is what you were looking for, give us an update about what your Prof. says if you can.

[Zach Hunter]

Here is a link to the last tweet in which Hines directly names Dawnguard.

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/244501212492353537

I've been checking his feed every few days and he does seem to address the issue fairly frequently. However his response 90% of the time is saying he knows nothing or gives a cryptic non-answer that could mean anything.

Thank you. I wanted it because I'm compiling a list of all the updates and tweets that were sent so I can present them to a few of my business and marketing professors.

I'd really like to get an outside and completely objective opinion and perspective on how well this has been handled from someone with actual knowledge of how things like this should be managed.


Edit: It'll take me some time to get everything together and I will show them and ask sometime this week. I'll come back and post what they said. Should be interesting.

[Phillip Brunyee]

I normally don't like IGN, but some of the views on this show are representative of many PS3 users. Watch this video ( http://au.ign.com/videos/2012/09/10/game-scoop-episode-259-part-1) and really listen to what Colin Moriarty is saying in the second half of the show. This is why we are angry, and why your company needs to do something to rectify it’s reputation and ensure strong future sales on the PS3. Please gstaff, bring these legitimate concerns to the devs, and just try to get your PR staff to communicate.

Thanks for sharing this video.

"Bethesda is basically treating PlayStation gamers like 2nd-rate consumers" - very well said.

[Samantha Jane Adams]

Thanks for sharing this video.

"Bethesda is basically treating PlayStation gamers like 2nd-rate consumers" - very well said.

+1

[Vera Maslar]

I hope ps3 players will be able to enjoy dawnguard and skyrim soon.

The anger and frustration in some parts of this thread and around the internet are not as intense and dramatic as what the Mass Effect community and the Majority of the gamers went thru with ME3s endings but never the less the dawnguard ps3 issue is entertaining to read.

This thread makes me soo thankful that i took a sledge hammer to my ps3 back in April 2011 and turned around to purchase an xbox and upgrade my pc.

I hope the ps3 users will get to one day play skyrims dlcs, Dawnguard especially.

[Matt Terry]

I normally don't like IGN, but some of the views on this show are representative of many PS3 users. Watch this video ( http://au.ign.com/videos/2012/09/10/game-scoop-episode-259-part-1) and really listen to what Colin Moriarty is saying in the second half of the show. This is why we are angry, and why your company needs to do something to rectify it’s reputation and ensure strong future sales on the PS3. Please gstaff, bring these legitimate concerns to the devs, and just try to get your PR staff to communicate.

Everyone in this thread needs to watch this video

[kasia]

I was playing skyrim a lot in this time, but i get tired of it, and I get tired of waiting for unstable DLC.
Its been almost 2 month and a half since they lunch the trailer of dawnguard, the Hype now after all this time its gone, i think im not gonna buy it, too expensive and too short i heard.
But one thing its for certain, i will never buy again another bethesda game! After this crap, never!

[Darian Ennels]

I normally don't like IGN, but some of the views on this show are representative of many PS3 users. Watch this video ( http://au.ign.com/videos/2012/09/10/game-scoop-episode-259-part-1) and really listen to what Colin Moriarty is saying in the second half of the show. This is why we are angry, and why your company needs to do something to rectify it’s reputation and ensure strong future sales on the PS3. Please gstaff, bring these legitimate concerns to the devs, and just try to get your PR staff to communicate.

The Skyrim / Dawnguard segment begins at 08:50 for those who want to skip to it, watching it now myself.

LOL listen very carefully from 13:10, something we have been saying over in PS3 issues forum for a very long time.

[April]

I was playing skyrim a lot in this time, but i get tired of it, and I get tired of waiting for unstable DLC.
Its been almost 2 month and a half since they lunch the trailer of dawnguard, the Hype now after all this time its gone, i think im not gonna buy it, too expensive and too short i heard.
But one thing its for certain, i will never buy again another bethesda game! After this crap, never!

The dawnguard DLC is roughly the equivilent of a guild questline maybe a bit longer. Same thing. Get an area for yourself, a guild main quest, and some radiants.

[Lil Miss]

The dawnguard DLC is roughly the equivilent of a guild questline maybe a bit longer. Same thing. Get an area for yourself, a guild main quest, and some radiants.

really? that kinda svcks, that means after a while, with all my characters i'll be able to easily go throw dawnguard just like every gulid in the game. but maybe thatas just me.