I mean, you assume the role, you take on the responsibilities and make the choices.

How about we all abandon this beaten to death really never have gotten anywhere more or less opiniated Argument and go do some Skyrim yeah? come on lol

Then Halo is an RPG. Or Far Cry 2.

I agree. Skyrim has almost zero character development, it's really disappointing.

To the OP: to be fair, TES is no longer a "traditional" rpg. Now, having said that, at this "streamlining" pace, TES will certainly be knocking at Tomb Raider doorstep.

The Elder Scrolls can no longer be classified as an RPG. It's an open world action game.

Where are people getting this nonsense from? It's just false.

Uhg, I know a troll when I see one. Now you got me angry on the evolution thing. Nothing about evolution has been proven, nothing! You look in those textbooks and you see no proof. They just have theorys, its all they have. Where as we Christians actully have proof, just look outside! How could that not be made by a creator, it's the biggest proof out there, yet people agnore it because they're used to it. Your telling me that evolution is true when you believe that everything in THIS FLIPPIN WORLD comes from a dot? WTH? Makes sense, really.

Skyrim is an RPG, so shut up >_>

The Elder Scrolls can no longer be classified as an RPG. It's an open world action game.

The perks and perk choices actually limit your character development to the point where you cannot 100% everything like you could in other TES games. you actually have to choose your role.

Yes you can be a JoaT but you will be a very limited one whereas in Oblivion I could, nay, I had to level in a way to maximize my gains (x5 multiplier) least I get trapped in the crap level scale, limiting the number of different types of characters I could build.

Wikipedia is a reliable source?

So why am I supposed to care you said this?

Role Playing Game. A game in which you assume the role of a character in a fictional setting.

It's an RPG.

You put up a very good arguement, my good sir. Thank you for contributing.

The perks and perk choices actually limit your character development to the point where you cannot 100% everything like you could in other TES games. you actually have to choose your role. Yes you can be a JoaT but you will be a very limited one whereas in Oblivion I could, nay, I had to level in a way to maximize my gains (x5 multiplier) least I get trapped in the crap level scale, limiting the number of different types of characters I could build.

This is the idiot's definition of an RPG, for people who have no clue whatsoever about video game genres.



Skyrim has enough RPG elements to be considered an RPG in my opinion. A very dumbed down, incredibly lacking RPG... but an RPG nonetheless. Bethesda are at the point though where if they simplify things any further, they'd be better off calling the next game an open world action-adventure game with RPG elements.

By that broad of a definition, pretty much every game on the market is a RPG.

Ingenious.

Agreed. The route TES is taking.

Nonsense.

Quite literally, yes they are.

I'd go so far as to say 99% of computer games are RPG's.

That's why the conflict arises between people who use a literal definition and those who have their own personal definition based on computer games.

Skyrim is a RPG by definition, the rest is just personal opinion on what that translates to in the medium of computer games.

In stark contrast to what many developers these days are apparently thinking, perhaps they need to start looking backwards a little bit. Get over the "It looks pretty; therefore it's great" thing. Don't waste time on useless "immersion techniques" that are a joke (Oh, what fun it is to sit and WATCH my character chop wood! Look at me - I'm collecting butterflies!).

They seem to put a lot of thought and effort into the books, so you'd think the quests and scripts would be more compelling. But they're not, because the emphasis these days seems to be on how things look, and, as someone pointed out somewhere in the forums, games are now geared toward "anybody can get through them no matter your level or build or whatever choices you can or cannot make in a game."

I think that's a big gripe as to why this isn't an RPG. You get a quest from Mr. X who says "Go kill Mr. Y for me." You decide to not kill Mr. Y, and when you inform Mr. X of your decision, he just says "Oh, that's ok, here's a reward anyway." What the H is that? You go directly against what this guy wanted, but in the end it doesn't matter.

Along those same lines is the cop-out "Oh, you don't want to do this for me? Come back when you change your mind." So the only choice is "yes" or "no." There are no grey areas, no real reason for your character to ponder the outcome of possible actions. The only "choice" in the game is "ignore" or "accept", really. Isn't that great?

"The great thing about this game is that you can ignore everything! And then you can just wander around and do... nothing. Isn't that awesome kiddies? Now buy some DLC."