It's ok to kill dragons in less than 1 second right?

This is not simply a progression of skills. This is using alchemy to bolster enchanting to bolster alchemy and so on with smithing as well, to maximise enchantments. It doesn't mean the individual skills are OP, simply that there is a loophole. Should the loophole exist? Well, I think it is fine being there, since you have to go out of your way to use it and no one is forced down that path.

Does the fact that the loophole is within alchemy/enchanting this time around (rather than Oblivions destruction/restoration ) mean they are to powerful? No. Even without the loophole, enchanting and smithing on their own are not vastly strong than other skills either. So I really do not see what all the fuss is over.

Personally I will self-impose this balance by choosing either smithing or alchemy or enchanting and not the tree of them at once. As I said in a previous post, the problem lies on the fact that the beneficial effects from these 3 skills stack together. So, really, it's pretty easy to avoid being overpowered. If bethesda decides to remove the synergies, great, if they don't do it, I'll simply not use them (or mod them out).

If you are speaking to me, than yes. I've been an fps player for years. That is one reason I've been mostly watching as I know I'm not the best source to be speaking

I know right, I mean it was not like you could become completely unavailable, fly around forever and be forever hidden with 100% chameleon.

Despite the several people who have posted after using the console command to raise destruction noted that the cast cost lowered and the damage increased?


I agree.

But is that supposed to be how the game is played?

To restrict yourself to keep the game from being too easy?

Isn't it the game's job to progressively try to defeat the player, who tries to beat the game?

When it's this easy, I think it's too silly.

Just like its ok to be able to kill the entire population of Balmora in under 10 seconds. Being an unstoppable badass is part of the fun no? If this guy is upset that hes doing so well, maybe dont grind enchant and smithing? You should be able to do the same thing with spells too if thats what youre getting at.

I've so far played a good generic version of each mage, fighter, and assassin.
Sneaking untill you get it up really high is somewhat challenging but rewards you with 1 shots or near 1 shots (at this time I can't one shot some of the heavily armored opponents, I can however pickpocket and plant poison to weaken them a bit)
Fighter I'm using a 2 hander greatsword, heavy armor, and doing the smithy enchant (although so far I'm just scratching the smith enchant as I'm just now figuring out how to go bout leveling them up at a decent rate)

Pure Mage so far has proven the most difficult it takes 1 fully wound up double handed firebolt to kill some weak bandits and others I waste my magica pool and cry as I'm running around trying to not get hit and get some magica back. (that I find is the main problem on the tougher enemies you run out of magica and your screwed while neither archery nor melee or whatnot suffer this. Also what makes this worse is the fact that if you hold a charged spell your magica stops regening )

This isn't a singleplayer game people, we're a community of players that have different play styles. Bethesda offered a product to everyone to sell ti to a wide a base as possible, it's obvious they didn't balance the destruction skill and now the base of players who like to be mages are complaining. Not multiplayer, but there is a community. Like it or not they have an obligation to provide fixes/balances to those things that aren't balanced (because they told us we could play how we wanted). Not to mention it only undermines their five years of work designing magic if they give up now with this half assed system. They don't learn anything for it, and will likely keep making mistakes. Better to fix it now and learn so you don't pay for it later. Then there's the simple fact it's just not fair for two play styles to completely dominate. If they had any intentions of only catering to the melee people or rogue people we wouldn't have optional ways to play the game. So deal with it, they're likely going to fix the problems.

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If people are coming in here and NOT talking about 40+ mages please leave. Mages remain difficult if viable through those levels. Past this health of enemies scales way too much and spells completely stop. Giving us more mana does nothing because now we can cast twice as much useless spells.

The OP must have found every little boost he could to get to THAT amount of strength. If you were to apply the same rules to casters it would have the exact same results.

Destruction = challenge mode

You should probably show your equipment and enchants. For all we know, you're running around with some of the best legendary gear with high level enchants.

I think sneaking is balanced pretty well. This is more dependant on AI programming, and is tough to balance, but feels rewarding, and 1 shotting in that regard is fine with me, since in a straight up fight you are not nearly as strong.

Fighter is... broken if you use Smithing or Enchanting. Together it's overkill. Add Alchemy, and you have too muchtime.

Mages really need some love IMO.


It is fun being bad ass. But this is too easy, too quickly. Anyone who decides, "Well I want to be a Smith." Will get around half this power. So you'll 4 shot you enemies instead of 2 shotting them.

Spells are not strong enough to do the same thing.

for what it's worth, I'm seeing other people complaining about smithing on other forums so it's not just here

People who want to play the game with some sort of challenge that's who. That would be most of us. Your clearly not intelligent enough to understand what the actual situation is, you just want to pop up from the back seat. Well, we hear you.. lol. Loud and clear.

That's what I'm thinking.

It's really annoying when people go out of their way to unbalance the game (I.E. - these videos of a player who clearly power leveled himself to max particular stats) and then complain when it becomes unbalanced.

I'm not power gaming, and my game is balanced just fine.

I'm level 22 and I'm having plenty of challenge.

But then again, unlike the videos in the OP, I didn't go out of my way to power level my character and break the game either.

I'm progressing my character naturally.

What is the point of Smithing? What is the point of Enchanting?

To give yourself better gear.

The benefits from Smithing alone are better than anything you will find in the wilderness. There is no parallel for Magic. Almost nothing increases Magic Damage.
Sorry.

Your game is balanced probably because you avoided Smithing and Enchanting.

If you play this game to make an optimal character... yeah... its going to be imbalanced and broken... But I pity you if thats the way you play this game. Yeah in an ideal world things would be balanced, but mods and patches can fix that.

In the meantime just play the game the way its meant to be played, as an exploration/adventure game with an immersive wide open world. Stop trying to make the best character you can and then complaining when the game is easy. Just play the game and enjoy it without trying to max out your character all the time.

Well Im at about 50 points in Archery, 1H, Sneak, Light Armor, Smithing, about 30 in block and that same fight he just did took me about 30 minutes last night. It's an Exploit. I saw the way to do it on Reddit yesterday. Im not going to do it, because this happens. Its like farming the skill tomes in DA:O. Sure you CAN, but you'll regret it.

It is not trying to max on purpose.

This is literally the result is you level just Smithing and Enchant. Everything else is fine.

At the end result of Smithing and Enchanting, you'll have the exact same thing. They give way too much power.

Try maxing on purpose 1-handed. Or Archery. Or Destruction. You will still be relatively balanced.

Now max Smithing or Enchanting. You are broken beyond belief. That's just the nature of Smithing/Enchant. Alchemy too, if you feel like it.

Too many conversions are available for Melee Characters.

Once again, I have yet to have anyone answer me as to why it would be a bad thing to let mages enchant items that give them + magic magnitude, just like how warriors can enchant for + damage.

When nobody responds to this, it's just proof nobody can come up with any good argument against it.

The constant whining about balance in a Single Player game is ridiculous. Who are you competing with, except your own elitist attitude?

No, Smithing and Enchanting are 2 of my main skills. Look at my signature.

All of my gear is self smithed and self enchanted.

My game is balanced because, unlike the OP's videos, I didn't go out of my way to IMBALANCE the game by power leveling a couple skills that give me uber enchanted gear at level 5.

No one. I don't want to compete with anyone. I just wish the game didn't become so easy when a special skill is chosen. Nothing else does this except Smithing and Enchanting. I don't think that is ok. I don't think Bethesda intended this much ease.


There's no point to responding to it. You're right. I agree.