Maybe you might want to consult a dictionary then. I don't have to as I know what it means and I know meaning of it includes neither "humorous", nor "looking for the worst".

In addition to that I'm also following plenty of other critics with various views on each subject and I would never have the arrogance to completely dismiss someone's critique just because some preconception even if it wasn't completely misguided and (clearly) frankly I find it doing such a thing pretty insulting.

Fallout 4 is no different in that respect than FO1, 2 or 3.
Vault Dweller, Tribal Descendant, Vault Dweller no backstory choice at all.

FO:NV gives the illusion of backstory choice but it never becomes relevant to the game.

This is what I was talking about Warpsmith. The backstory other than being the occupation of courier (6) is pointless as the game does not recognize it. As far as the game is concerned, you do not start as a former BoS or Ex-Enclave, or Legion Frumentarius, or discharged NCR Ranger, or anything else other than courier.

relevant? How can you make nothing into relevancy? There is NO backstory (until lonesome road) so therefore it doesn't oppose your RP in-game. You don't walk up to the BoS Elder and ask "got any mail you need delivered? I'm a mailman from [insert state] who has come to handle the packages of the Mojave"

having no mention is 100x better than being forced to mention an origin you don't want. NV never says no, which is better than F4

There is no backstory so it does not oppose, or AID your RP in-game. Remember that. a character is more than just choices in a game box. They are a person in your mind. Who were they before they became a courier? They were a courier, because that is all the game recognizes.

If the game was so great then you should hardly be bothered to make this post. Bethesda needs to know that they messed up big time and made a junk game. I've loved all of their products thus far so should it be surprising that people like OP and myself want to talk about how disappointed we are? F4 was a slap in the face and its this was due to piss poor decision making in game design.


And frankly Bethesda apologists only contribute to the degradation of quality gaming.

see my last post. No mention is better than forced origin. The forced circumstance at the beginning of NV does not restrict you in any way because it could happen to you regardless of your origin. I would take the TES method of no origin over forced origin any day

You are forced to be a courier. There is a forced origin, most just do not recognize. The courier is nothing more than the player's ________. A true character is more than just what it seen in the game. For some of us, the backstory is more important than what choices are going to recognized after the game is over.

Topic of the day - Thanks Bleak, really! *sigh*

Well, the game isn't junk per se, and from profit point of view, it wasn't poor decision-making either. It's just something completely different than some Fallout fans expected. It's moved from a living world to Mad Max-like playground and when people said Fallout 3 had breadth of an ocean, depth of a puddle, it applies doubly for F4.

But it's still not a junk game. Even if they turned the series into a GTA-like game, it (probably) wouldn't be junk. It'd just be spinning off light years away

you are forced to have carried a package from 1 place to the other for money...the end. This is not an origin. It could have been the only time you have ever been a courier and that has no effect on you being something else entirely. It is a circumstance, not an origin.


Having delivered (or attempted to) a package does not force where you were born, who your family are, how old you are, what skills you have, or who you are allied with. It was a job that you can totally forget about 2 seconds later because it does not affect your actions afterwards

As far as the game is concerned, it is the origin. The courier did not exist until NV, and there is nothing on where he/she was born, so they only exist in NV as a courier.

The Elder Scrolls always starting you off as a prisoner was getting a bit forced, especially if you play a do gooder

As to the 'forced' backstory of FO4 it just asks you to be a bit more creative.

Character is really a synth and the pre-war memories are just programmed.

Character was mafia and turned state evidence, placed into witness protection with a case worker and her illegitimate son.

Character is a delusional manic depressive and shacked up with a one night stand that got her pregnant, he seemed to be impressed with her easy lies of being a lawyer, hopefully she'll be able to sneak away before he finds out.

Character is haunted by post traumatic stress, growing alcohol abuse and spousal abuse, a rage that he can't explain... if only the world would end before he does something...

Saying you're forced into a backstory is just admitting you don't want to stretch your creative muscles

that is NOT an origin, having no history is a good thing because it lets you make it up. If it DID say anything about your past then it would be a forced origin, and therefore would be just like F3 and F4 but as it stand it is not, it gives you the freedom to be what you want without telling you no...unlike the other Fallouts

I think a lot of the things TB is saying are a load of [censored].


I am however, SLIGHTLY disappointed with Fallout 4, only slightly. But they are minor complaints and the game is still fantastic. But just not as good as previous Bethesda games for me.

You know Aoy I agree with you to a degree, but if you take away the soul from Fallout from Fallout is it still Fallout? I say no. Bethesda should just call it something else and sell the Fallout IP to someone who has respect for the theme.


Since when do gamers give a damn about corporations profit margin anyway? Since when does a gamer get gaming satisfaction from a company's budget numbers? If this is what it takes to defend a game then clearly it's a bad game.

The game isn't great, it's inredible, go player the Witcher or something if you hate Fallout 4 you're not forced to buy/play it

maybe I want to be ex-enclave, or a vet of the BoS, or a Ranger from California, or a nerdy scientist...whoops can't. The game beats into you that you are a pre-war US soldier/pre-war lawyer who was frozen in vault 111 and now have to track down your son...


Having like 3 options is not better than having 100 options

cyn·ic

(s?n′?k)

n.

1. A person who believes all people are motivated by selfishness.

2. A person whose outlook is scornfully and habitually negative.

3. Cynic A member of a sect of ancient Greek philosophers who believed virtue to be the only good and self-control to be the only means of achieving virtue.

No, YOU go play witcher and leave my sweet Fallout alone.

The cynical brit.

http://www.wordreference.com/engr/cynical

I don't see anything in these meanings that implies that cynical = not factual and I certainly don't see the connection between humor and scepticism, which is also a philosophical and scientific standpoint. I think you are just trying to dismiss his credibility.

If anything else I would trust a cynic most of all for factual product reviews, one that is not governed by emotional attachments to inanimate objects.

Never said he didn't base it in fact but it's his fact and he is self describes as cynitical...habitually negative. Which is fine if you realize that when you start. And in fact, I find cynicism quite funny. Even he has said to take his reviews with a grain of salt because it's his aim to be overly negative and to focus on what he himself finds bad which is everything about everything.

I think you mean 0 recognized options that hold no meaning in the game and thus are not origins.

so the 2 recognized options on F4 are better than total freedom...totally logical