The open your mind bit and the tunnel vision comments are just another way of saying close minded, which is an insult. And no big deal, this is the internet, I guess I expect insults for having an opinion.

Anyway, if there is one thing I personally rate at a premium in a game, it is for features, especially stuff like getting jumped (no matter how infrequent), to be disables until the story (my choice) unlocks them. For Dragons, I dont have to trigger them. Same for oblivion gates in Oblivion. I rate this higher than any other content.

That is my choice, made with an open mind and full knowledge of my own preferences.

If it turns out that on the PC it is easy to disable those attacks until after you start the quest, then I will absolutely buy it since I will be able to add choice back in.

Quirky. Are people honestly complaining? I remember people making threads when Skyrim came out that there was NO immersion at all. This still doesn't bring the biggest feature you guys were asking for...the ability to break main quests...and then suffering the consequences (total RPG doooood)...

I still remember Morrowind mods that people made that were like this. They were quite popular too (invasions and whatnot).

I think it's a welcomed change of pace to the game. Probably should tone it down so that we don't feel like we are babysitting instead of actually being Dragonborn.

My first trip to riften after downloading dawnguard ended with 5 dead npc in the city. You can't even get in to fight the vampires when half the town is swarming them and dropping dead while doing it. This is totally killing the game for me, unless this is fixed I think i'm done with skyrim. I can't believe that after people in the beta were ranting about this they just let it release with this mess.

DLC can't be patched so... bye.

If there weren't any Vampire attacks this whole "Vampire Invasion" thing wouldn't seem as urgent.


Wait wait wait! Does this mean that the Vampires can kill Brynolf, and Maven Black Briar?! HELL YES!

No, I don't think it does. A beta tester can correct me otherwise.

I so hope they can. I've been wanting them dead since I met them.

Stupid Brynjolf always accusing me of thievery.

You must have trouble reading, I said if its not fixed I will be done with skyrim.

Actually, you're wrong. 90% of the Beta testers loved this. It makes the whole "vampire invasion" theme of the DLC actually seem like a vampire invasion.

Please don't put words into people's mouths.



So... my opinion on your choices is an insult? Hypocritical much?

He knows what you said. He's just saying that I guess you'll have to play another game.

What is there to fix? I mean... If there is an invasion, and there is no Vampires invading? I'd question the development team. They did it correctly. In addition, there are no actual quest NPC's being killed. So nothing is actually game breaking.

Like I said in one of my posts; tone how frequent they invade by a little bit. But that's all... I wouldn't change the idea at all. It fits perfect with the DLC theme.

You might wanna look at WHO you're replying to, as you've both confused me with the guy who said he's not buying the DLC because of vampire attacks, and you confused the guy saying "don't insult" with me.

We do have identities and individual opinions.


I'm in the camp of "I welcome NPC deaths (but they never happen in my game, which is odd considering so many claim they do) but I'd prefer we not have tedious random encounters against boss-quality enemies all the time."
I mean you say it's a change of pace. That NPCs are dying? Yes. That we have MORE tedious random encounters? No...

Can't speak for himself? Vampire attacks would be fine if they were rare, and npcs had the smarts to flee. But they just stand in your way and die.

That's... kind of what happens in an invasion. People die and there's collateral damage. That's really the whole point of the DLC, that Skyrim is very much in danger from this influx of vampire attacks. it fits well with the very idea of the DLC.

Ok you have fun on future characters when as you hit level ten and hear about the dawnguard quest. Your citys will be dead and empty and all the minor quest givers as well. Sounds great, nothing but ghost towns.

If the whole point of the DLC is to make towns majorly empty then it isn't a very good DLC.

I'll be buying and playing Dawnguard when it releases on PC but if this Vampire thing is as big of a problem at higher levels as it's made out to be I will either be disabling it or modding to remove the attacks.

Do you listen to yourself?

The vampire attacks are only a small part of a much larger DLC. Look at the broader picture instead of focusing on something that really is trivial as far as the DLC is concerned. Besides, 90% of the time the city guards will just slaughter the Vampires and their thralls without raising much of a sweat. It's really not as big of a deal as you are over exaggerating it to be.

My thoughts exactly!

I really don't like random dragons/vampires to kill my NPCs.

Every time I see a dragon flying over a small village, first thing to do is hunt and kill him as fast as I can. It get so boring after some time. I can imagine the same thing this time with vampires .

I'm okay about it, but I would like it if NPCs had the sensibility to avoid vampires. I.e upon seeing them, all NPCs except guards head indoors, vampires don't attack buildings until all guards are dead. Also I'd like to be able to stop them from occurring.

I do like the idea, just that Skyrim's population feels too small to allow for this sort of thing :/

If that's all you guys focus on in the game... then you're really missing a ton of content.

As said multiple times above, the problem is the non-fighters not having the intelligence to flee.

They are really annoying, but traveling to a hold's keep seemed to lesson the attacks for me if this helps anyone.

Do you listen to yourself? Why do you have such a huge problem that some people do not like this feature?

I like to keep on one character for a very long time and do not want all non-essential NPCs (including shop keepers) killed off in towns.

Everything else sounds good.

My problem is that I play the game slow, I don't go quest rushing, I play for hundreds of hours. I don't want to lose quest NPCs before I get their quests and I don't want my towns eventually get empty, raided by monsters.

They should really fix it and make it very rare event and when it happens, the only NPCs in town to be guards.

Ya they get really annoying. They killed Gerdur in Riverwood. Turned her into ashes.