Not to mention stage 4 vampirism attack, the option to change appeaance for vampiric characters and to marry Serana.

The author of the book "Immortal Blood" was correct about the Vampires of Cyrodiil as well as Morvarth. We know that the only Vampires that can pass for human are the Vampires of Cyrodiil thanks to a pack with Clavicus Vile. The Vampires in Skyrim, the Volkihar, are wrong on several levels.

Somethings like removing being attacked at stage four made feeding entirely useless, I haven't fed since the DLC has downloaded. Also if the company that produced underworld had a lot of money which they never will they could stick so many lawsuits up bethesda [censor] Zenimax would probably have to settle for them.

I was kind of surprised they took out the stage four attacks and kind of disappointed. I kind of had a bittersweet experience with it; creeping into towns praying to the nine divines that nobody notices me, but I never wished it would go away. I figured the vampire Lord would give me a little edge (not to mention epic roleplaying) so should I get caught in a town and my back's to the wall, I just reveal my dastardly, winged form, and feast on the blood of my aggressors >. If they're not going to let me have my vampiric bride, end the tyranny of the sun, trick out my castle, or alter my undead mug; at least give me back my vampire-hating townsfolk so then if I absolutely have to I can actually put those blood potions to use. Perhaps there is some way we can get Bethesda to put that back in at least?

Yeah. The sad thing is they had the chance to fix it with this DLC and have their voodoo Vampire Lords. They just needed to update some of the vampires of the vanilla variant to be Volkihar, and keep the ones like Morvarth, Alva, and Sybill the Cyrodiilic strain. We'd then have three vampire strains, all having their own uses in terms of builds and RP. Instead they decided to just make their Vampire Lords Volkihar, and have the old vampires Volkihar too, just without any incentive to become them.

I don't get the logic behind that decision.

I did...the exact same thing happens. He calls you pathetic and then tries to kill you and Serana gives you the evil eye lol

If bethesda adds werebears, spears, lunar transformations and alternate ways to contract lycanthropy Skyrim will be complete for me.

What surprises me is that there is not even a Mod for the PC that makes the Volkihar "Lore Correct". If i made mods that would be the 1st thing on my list. Frost Immunity, Mist Form, Frost Breath/Ice Form (Non-Shout), Bonuses to Stealth and Destruction Magic, perhaps summonable Ice Wraiths

that sounds awesome.
and more lore like.
when i read mist form i actually thought it would be icy,but no,you look invisible not "mist like"

Mist Form is for one of the strains in Valenwood.

I think two things inhibit lore correct Volkihar: No underwater combat (so you can't fight them if/when they pull you under water) and I don't think you can create new animations, meaning you can't program them to jump out of the ice or anything like that.

Volkihar turn to mist as well, they move through ice and snow via mist

Where did you read that?

Immortal Blood

If it is not in Immortal Blood then i will need to check...maybe try the Wiki for Volkihar

Now that i check i cant seem to find the direct wordage....something comes to mind picturing a mist forming in water to drag some poor sod in...not sure

Pretty sure it's not in Immortal Blood. At least not talking about the Volkihar.

From http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Immortal_Blood:

On the subject of the vampires of Valenwood:

Edit: Oh, you already looked it up.

Guess I just sped through the book to fast and mixed them up.

Well i feel that Mist Form fits the Volkihar very well, if only because in a snowy environment that is the absolute most effective thing to travel and enter combat as

I don't think the Volkihar (at least before Dawnguard) really seemed concerned about entering combat. They were opportunistic feeders and used cheap tactics (like ambushing someone and pulling them through the ice, leaving it intact so they couldn't escape) to subdue their prey. If they did venture outside, I'd doubt they'd engaged well rested warriors. If they were going to prey on anyone, it'd likely be those who are already suffering from frostbite and so they'd be easy game.

One other thing that should be added to them is they do Frost damage when they fight hand to hand (considering they'd freeze the blood in their prey's veins).

Then again, all this is moot unless it's established that these vampires have just adopted the name Volkihar.

I think everyone realized Beth dropped the lore for this one. Harkon is ancient and the leader of Clan Volkihar so...lore tossed

I know. I just wish they realized that their old mythology was pretty interesting in and of itself, and could have easily kept us entertained and drawn into their world.

I would have LOVED to have both Cyrodiilic Vamps and TRUE Volkihar Vamps both be in Skyrim instead of the 1 "mixed" version.

A couple things:

1) Spriggans spawn from trees. You may hear buzzing if you approach a tree but you don't see anything. Sure enough if you get close enough to it, the spriggan walks DIRECTLY out of the tree.
2) Tunnelers from Lonesome Road come up from out of the ground. If New Vegas could do it, so can Skyrim, as they basically run on the same engine (yeah yeah they renamed Gamebyro. You can call poop a diamond but that doesn't actually make it one)
3) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I recall seeing skeletons rise from the ground in Dawnguard. So they LITERALLY took the time to create this mechanic, then gave it to skeletons instead of the Volkihar.

All it needed was a very simple spawn-from-ground mechanic that makes them pop out of frozen lakes and perhaps from the walls of the frozen tundra to the northeast, aswell. That they can't pull you down under the lake? I'm pretty sure we're all logical enough to know that that'd make for an instant death, would be a complicated game mechanic aswell as a very boring one ("you walked over ice and are therefore dead!" Gee thanks game), thus we can settle for them popping out of the ice to ambush us.

I meant I don't think you can create new animations using the Creation Kit. I thought I remembered hearing that be a thing. I was talking about why mods couldn't be used to make lore correct Volkihar. Sorry, I should have been clearer. Bethesda could have done it. Why they chose not to? No idea.

Because most of the mods want the non-lore type Vampires...I even have friends that go on and on about the modded vampires, that are never like the lore.

As for the spiggans, you can kill them while they're still in their tree if you use stealth. The body bugs out though if I remember correctly.