I have read over all these posts and it seems if a VL vs Werewolf 10 times then most likely the werewolf is going to win the majority of the matches. The werewolf has alot more power and speed, but the VL has range. If and only if the VL can grip a werewolf that is the only thing that will save him/her from the close assault. The gargoyles will easily be dispatched by the werewolf familiars because of the power slash, making the gargoyles useless in the fight. All the werewolf has to do is out maneuver the vampiric grip and then close in on the kill, simple.

Even if the VL does grip him, the health drain is slow, and werewolves have plenty of health. The werewolf summons will stun him with their lunge attack, and drop the player. Unless they're by a cliff, VL grip wont matter much. And for those who say that the VL can just summon the Gargoyles, they'll be quickly dropped, like this guy said, and the VL will be open for attack while he's gripping whoever. 3 against 1 after that, since the gargoyles are so weak.

On a side note, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who fights Legendary dragons as a werewolf, since before everyone just kept calling me a liar, but I'm not so sure that a dragon can be stunned by the power attack. Does any1 else know or can they confirm this? If not, I'll try it out. I dont see why not since u can with shield bash or dual magic attacks though.

Correct. So in most cases the werewolf will win, thus I am proud to be one.

All hail the wolf pack!

Vampire Lord I suppose. I mean all it would have to do is use vampiric grip.

A Vampire Lord wouldn't even see a werewolf coming.

I wonder if they made a DLC that upgraded a WV to VL status, how could they make it look cooler. It could be taller more muscular and different colors based on your current hair color, lunar transformation.

What do you mean? Like a Werewolf being too fast? Because all the Vampire Lord would have to do is use Supernatural Reflexes, or Mist Form if it gets too close.

And when he comes out of mistform, he gets stun locked from the werewolf power attack. As for reflexes, it lasts ten seconds. After that, he's done. VL grip is overrated. Werewolf summons would gang him while he's doing it, stun him and make him drop the other wolf, then maul him.

But doesn't the Vampire have summons as well? The Gargoyles. So the Werewolf summons wouldn't gang up on him/her.

And during supernatural reflexes 10 seconds the VL could just grip the werewolves, and throw them a mile in the air.

As far as I can tell it will depend on the person controlling the creture, they both could easily kill each other depending on who make a wrong move first.

Read my earlier post. The werewolves attack what u attack most of the time. They'd ignore them and go straight for the VL, allowing us to quickly finish him off. And he can only grip one at a time. Even with reflexes, he wouldnt be able to get them all in ten seconds. Werewolves are really fast. Knowing this, I'd stay back while he gets jumped by the werewolves, and jump in when he uses the grip, and if he summons gargoyles, I'd jump him while he's performing the spell. Wouldnt be hard unless he can use ALL his abilities at the exact same time, which he cant. It takes time to select all those different powers. Time he wouldnt have without the in game pause screen. P v P, he'd be done before he could select a second spell to use. Everything else like bats and mist just prolong the inevitable. And thats the VL being puppy chow.

You say they would kill the VL quickly. But the Vampire Lord isn't exactly weak.

It could summon Gargoyles, turn invinsible for the moment, has poison claws, has bats that attack, and heal the Lord, and has super telekinesis. I have a hard time buying that a Werewolf could kill a VL easily or quickly.

Plus can't Vampire Lords fly, not in game but maybe lore wise. I can see an in lore Vampire lord being able to levitate pretty high.

Werewolves aren't that impressive imo.

Lets not forget vampire lord drain skill can drain stamina, hp and magicka and it is an aoe.

I'm specifically talking about in game, not lore. In lore, werewolves can jump really high, and vamps die in sunlight. Anyway, the VL's are strong, but werewolves down health with their claws extremely fast. Gargoyles are a joke compared to the werewolf summons, going invisible only buys him a little time, and thats out of vampire lord form, and the poisoned claws dont amount to crap versus the WW's claw damage. Close quarters is WW's specialty. The VL's only chance is paralysing the WW, if he can hit him, and V grip, if he can lock on him. Which, by the way, those two abilitys would be extremely easy to dodge, especially if he has to contend with 3 werewolves. Uand the ones u summoned.

Then Werewolf would rock even more. Crimson wereelf. I wish they would make a dlc ala bloodmoon. But sadly we should not expect wewolf related dlc's anytime soon since it would anger the VL players and the rest for giving another creature DLC. Well unless they make a very good quest,then only vampire players would be grumbling about it.

Lets not forget that werewolves regen stamina like crazy, and we can stun lock VL'S.

A vampire lords power is almost entirely based in magic,

Atronach Stone, Atronach perk,
Lord Stone, Magic Resistance Perks+Agent of Mara.

Its very easy to buff yourself against magic, but werewolves and lords share that same unarmored weakness.
And seriously anyone who thinks draining a werewolves stanima does a damn thing never played as a werewolf its like having constant Adrenaline Rush on.

Ahem there is a skill called bats and the VL can have bats surround them and they will harm anything that gets close to them and lets not forget as I said the drain spell for the vampire lord can drain magicka, stamina and Health and its an aoe. The VL has too many tools were they can deal with close range fighters.

VL cannot be ragdolled.

I meant invincible not invisible. As in mist form.


Why would the VL have trouble locking on to the WW? I mean the VL has Supernatural Reflexes. While the WW is moving slow from the VL's perspective it could just paralyze or grip it.

Don't Vampires in TES hunt Werewolves for fun?


I hope they don't do a Werewolf DLC soon. I'd rather they focus on magic. I've had enough of Vampires, and Werewolves for a while.

A Vampire Lord would turn a Werewolf into a fur coat.

Go over water and just use any kind of blood magic on it.
Go on a cliff and toss a Werewolf off of it.
Paralyze it using blood magic, destroy at will.

Also, Werewolves would return to their normal state, the Vampire Lord can stay in it and destroy them.

And in sunlight, dont VL's lose the ability to regen magicka? They wouldnt get much from draining a werewolf if the werewolf was a warrior class, which I would assume most are.

Oh yeah I forgot about that the werewolf form does not last forever.

You know this can go on and on all day. The only reason why we think our VL or werewolves can beat each other is because our VL and werewolves are buffed and perked out.

The bats wouldnt be able to deal nearly the same raw damage as the claws of a werewolf, and draining magicka from a warrior werewolf would be limited due to their limited magicka in the first place, and while the VL is fumbling through all these abilities, the WW would easily close the distance and finish him off.