Who is truly stronger? possible spoiler : V - Skyrim

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:27 pm

Oh yeah I forgot about that the werewolf form does not last forever.

Yup.

Hell, even if a Vampire Lord can't catch up to a werewolf's speed, all she would have to do is wait it out until they revert to human.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:03 pm

Ahem there is a skill called bats and the VL can have bats surround them and they will harm anything that gets close to them and lets not forget as I said the drain spell for the vampire lord can drain magicka, stamina and Health and its an aoe.

Draining stanima is useless against a werewolf it regenerates to quickly. You've clearly never played as a werewolf otherwise you'd know they regenerate stanima like a redguard on Adrenaline Rush. Only mamonths and dragons are immune to ragdoll.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:12 pm

Oh yeah I forgot about that the werewolf form does not last forever.

Wouldnt need to. The fight wouldnt last long. Do u realize how quickly a WW can kill things?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:14 pm

The bats wouldnt be able to deal nearly the same raw damage as the claws of a werewolf, and draining magicka from a warrior werewolf would be limited due to their limited magicka in the first place, and while the VL is fumbling through all these abilities, the WW would easily close the distance and finish him off.

The PC has something called hotkeys.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:12 pm

Yup.

Hell, even if a Vampire Lord can't catch up to a werewolf's speed, all she would have to do is wait it out until they revert to human.

Ring of Hircine.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:38 pm

Ring of Hircine.

You do know you can be killed/hurt while transforming right?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:10 pm

The PC has something called hotkeys.

I'm an xbox player, and even so, u still need to actually hit the werewolf with ur abilities. Even with the reflex thing, u still have three werewolves on u. Cant get em all in 10 seconds.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:31 am

A Vampire Lord would turn a Werewolf into a fur coat.

Go over water and just use any kind of blood magic on it.
Go on a cliff and toss a Werewolf off of it.
Paralyze it using blood magic, destroy at will.

Also, Werewolves would return to their normal state, the Vampire Lord can stay in it and destroy them.

Depends if it's day or night. Also you need to hit WW first, and doing it from the middle of the river is hard.
Cliff? You need to catch him before you can throw him.
Paralyze?have you been reading earlier posts? It's 3 against 1.

300secs is enough to kill any VL,and if you try to run away into the lake the WW can simply feast on people waiting for you. Day will come much sooner then WW turn back then. Not to mention as a human WW fights better then none transformed vampire.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:09 pm

Yup.

Hell, even if a Vampire Lord can't catch up to a werewolf's speed, all she would have to do is wait it out until they revert to human.

Ring of Hircine gives unlimited werewolf shifts. It also lets the werewolf know when they are about to shift back giving them time to get away. When they return to human form they can take potions to get health back and cast spells that carry over into werewolf form.

And also hot keys DO NOT work while in Vampire lord form.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:41 pm

You do know you can be killed/hurt while transforming right?

Yes, but if the VL is hiding from the werewolf to wait and revert, there'd be plenty of distance and time to transform, since u'd need a lot of distance to actually keep a werewolf from u. This wouldnt work anyway due to the speed of a werewolf. The vl could never just wait for the ww to revert back.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:52 pm

Even if the VL does grip him, the health drain is slow, and werewolves have plenty of health. The werewolf summons will stun him with their lunge attack, and drop the player. Unless they're by a cliff, VL grip wont matter much. And for those who say that the VL can just summon the Gargoyles, they'll be quickly dropped, like this guy said, and the VL will be open for attack while he's gripping whoever. 3 against 1 after that, since the gargoyles are so weak.

On a side note, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who fights Legendary dragons as a werewolf, since before everyone just kept calling me a liar, but I'm not so sure that a dragon can be stunned by the power attack. Does any1 else know or can they confirm this? If not, I'll try it out. I dont see why not since u can with shield bash or dual magic attacks though.

Yep the power swipe stuns the dragon just like the power shield bash, it's how I keep them on the ground :biggrin:

All hail the wolf pack! :celebration:

All hail the pack, all hail Lord Hircine

As far as I can tell it will depend on the person controlling the creture, they both could easily kill each other depending on who make a wrong move first.

Pretty much, an AI controlled VL or werewolf isn't going to stack up to a player controlled VL or werewolf.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:57 pm

I've yet to see VL defenders answer the question of how they use magic on a foe with 80% spell absoprtion or 70% magic resistance something a character can easily have in werewolf or vampire lord form. The werewolf can have high magical defenses the VL isn't going to have high physical defenses.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:28 pm

Wouldnt need to. The fight wouldnt last long. Do u realize how quickly a WW can kill things?

At night, a werewolf's speed would do it no good. Vampire Lords regenerate magicka quickly and could easily use the numerous night powers it has to evade anything the WW does and that would spell death for any werewolf without the Ring of Hircine. Even with the Ring, all it takes is a well placed Vampiric Grip to snd them flying off a cliff.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:57 pm

I meant invincible not invisible. As in mist form.

Why would the VL have trouble locking on to the WW? I mean the VL has Supernatural Reflexes. While the WW is moving slow from the VL's perspective it could just paralyze or grip it.

Don't Vampires in TES hunt Werewolves for fun?

I hope they don't do a Werewolf DLC soon. I'd rather they focus on magic. I've had enough of Vampires, and Werewolves for a while.

Thats also would be nice. As magic wereknight I would like my flames to actualy start to freaking hurt stronger oponents.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:17 am

Well anyway harkon does have a werewolf pelt on display in his castle I wonder where he got that? Lets not forget the 5 volk vampires vs 50 werewolves I will let you guess who won that.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:58 am

I meant invincible not invisible. As in mist form.

Why would the VL have trouble locking on to the WW? I mean the VL has Supernatural Reflexes. While the WW is moving slow from the VL's perspective it could just paralyze or grip it.

Don't Vampires in TES hunt Werewolves for fun?

I hope they don't do a Werewolf DLC soon. I'd rather they focus on magic. I've had enough of Vampires, and Werewolves for a while.

So we wait til u get out of mist, then stun lock u, with supernatural reflexes, it only lasts 10 seconds, and still have 3 werewolves on u, and for the last one, I'm speaking specifically of VL vs WW. P v P, not AI.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:24 pm

Oh yeah I forgot about that the werewolf form does not last forever.

Depends on how much I ate before bumping into the VL. Myself personally have made 3 entire laps around the map in 5 days as a werewolf, then had to wait an extra 3 days on top of that to change back, all on one transformation. That's a total of 8 whole days as a werewolf :cool:

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:28 am

I've yet to see VL defenders answer the question of how they use magic on a foe with 80% spell absoprtion or 70% magic resistance something a character can easily have in werewolf or vampire lord form. The werewolf can have high magical defenses the VL isn't going to have high physical defenses.

The VL has far more evasive power than the Werewolf. Even IF it could not best the WW in a straightforward battle, it could use the environment to its advantage.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:46 pm

Yes, but if the VL is hiding from the werewolf to wait and revert, there'd be plenty of distance and time to transform, since u'd need a lot of distance to actually keep a werewolf from u. This wouldnt work anyway due to the speed of a werewolf. The vl could never just wait for the ww to revert back.

VL needs to catch up to WW when he escapes to revert via ring of hircine. And VL is simply a snail when compared to WW speed. So he woun't even know where WW run of too before transformation

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:13 pm

VL needs to catch up to WW when he escapes to revert via ring of hircine. And VL is simply a snail when compared to WW speed. So he woun't even know where WW run of too before transformation

The vampire lord is not that slow bats+supernatural reflexes lets not forget the fly speed.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:17 am

Well anyway harkon does have a werewolf pelt on display in his castle I wonder where he got that? Lets not forget the 5 volk vampires vs 50 werewolves I will let you guess who won that.

Thats AI, not players, and I also killed Harkon as a werewolf, so the werewolf pelt thing means nothing. And to ur other post, no we cant ragdoll VL's but we can still continuously stun him over and over.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Well anyway harkon does have a werewolf pelt on display in his castle I wonder where he got that? Lets not forget the 5 volk vampires vs 50 werewolves I will let you guess who won that.

From a weak werewolf who didn't deserve the gift given to him / her. :devil:

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:18 pm

The VL has far more evasive power than the Werewolf. Even IF it could not best the WW in a straightforward battle, it could use the environment to its advantage.

The only REAL evasive power a VL has over a werewolf is the fact that you guys can hover over water where as I would have to swim.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:22 am

The VL has far more evasive power than the Werewolf. Even IF it could not best the WW in a straightforward battle, it could use the environment to its advantage.

Not really since I dont have to wait for WW speed to recharge after using it, and my abilities dont rely on magicka. They rely on stamina, and our stamina regens extremely quickly.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:07 am

Well anyway harkon does have a werewolf pelt on display in his castle I wonder where he got that? Lets not forget the 5 volk vampires vs 50 werewolves I will let you guess who won that.

I was hoping to use that werewolf pelt for something. I wanted to make armor out of it or something. :yawn: