Why join imperials?

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:36 am

I have to lulz @ some of you.Its a game people! LOL@ Ulfric is a racist.Ulfric is a racist because that how he was programmed.LOL.............
You must have a good laugh at people who critically examine literature as well, since literature is just like, you know, made up of words, man.
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Jessica Thomson
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:08 am

Lol..Talos worship?? The Thalmor banning the worship of Talos is the least of Tamriel's problems. For the better half of 100 years, the Thalmor have been positioning themselves to break the Imperial alliance between the nations of Tamriel and conquer them while they are divided and in disarray. Then the Thalmor plan on enslaving/eradicating anyone who is Non-Altmer. The Thalmor in my opinion are comparable to the Nazis...They see themselves as the supreme race and wish to do away with all others.
Yes but their ultimate goal is to destroy the physical world in an effort to regain their divinity so they think. So yes Talos worship is the least of their worries as they have a greater ultimatum planned out.
Though so.

Yeah, I feel now that Mede II has...Stepped down...What the Empire need's is a new leader. One who is tactical, charismatic and strong. He may be able to restore faith and get the once lost nations to back the Empire, once again.
Yeah just ideas flowing on here I get a lot of typos that way.

An empire cannot exist without a leader so that is a must first and foremost. We need a great and tacticle leader, one than can stand in the face of adversity and defeat insurmountable odds like the Dominion. He must have a way to have those stand with him to the very end, he cannot falter even if the White Gold Tower is in flames. He or she must have the power and influence to regain all the lost nations to restore the empire to its former glory and unify a broken empire.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:31 pm

I, for one, hope the Empire gets dissolved in the lore. It would make things infinitely more interesting.
Or at least goes the same way as the Roman Empire and becomes something akin to the Byzantine empire.

The way I see it Morrowind and Oblivion were TES in the classical age, now it is moving into the Dark Ages,
So if previously (and this is superficial/politically wise, not lorewise):
Skyrim = Celts/Germanic/Goth tribes
High Rock = Gaulish/Helvetica tribes
Hammerfell = Turks/Moorish tribes
Elsweyr = Moors/Egyptians(?)
Black Marsh = Aztec/Inca tribes
Morrowind = Persian/Akkadian tribes
Imperials = Roman empire
Summerset Isle = Babylonian/Lothlorien
Orsinium = Mongols/Timurids
Solstheim = New Zealand (:evil:)

In future games they will probably be more like this
Skyrim = Holy Roman Empire/Switzerland
High Rock = France/England
Hammerfell = Moors/Ottoman Empire
Elsweyr = Egyptians (in their Medieval, Dark age situation)
Black Marsh = Still Aztec and Inca
Morrowind = Jewish tribes/Afghan tribes
Imperials = Byzantine/Greek empires
Summerset Isle = Third Reich (they don't really have a real world counterpart for the dark ages
Orsinium = Mongolia
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:43 am

Yes but their ultimate goal is to destroy the physical world in an effort to regain their divinity so they think. So yes Talos worship is the least of their worries as they have a greater ultimatum planned out.

Yeah just ideas flowing on here I get a lot of typos that way.

An empire cannot exist without a leader so that is a must first and foremost. We need a great and tacticle leader, one than can stand in the face of adversity and defeat insurmountable odds like the Dominion. He must have a way to have those stand with him to the very end, he cannot falter even if the White Gold Tower is in flames. He or she must have the power and influence to regain all the lost nations to restore the empire to its former glory and unify a broken empire.
So, pretty much Tamriel needs another Dragonborn(probably not the player though) to reunite it.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:12 am

I can't understand why, in a recent poll, sooo many people favoured the imperials over the stormcloaks.
The imperials captured you, and we about to execute you for no reason, and you were not even on the list to be executed. Is this a group of people you want to work for? lol

1.) The Stormcloaks had an opportunity to attempt to clear your name. They did no such thing. Instead, they tell you and Lokir to essentially shut your mouth and face your death like a man.

2.) It isn't the Imperials who want to execute you, but rather one over zealous captain. Another Imperial actually tries to free you and help you escape.

3.) You were captured because you crossed the border and were among the Stormcloaks when they were captured. The arrest isn't out of line.

4.) As you go through the game, you learn that the Stormcloaks aren't particularly noble. Ulfric is a racist against non-Nords, specifically against Dark Elves. Ulfric is planning on invading Whiterun - this was the reason why my character Thadious finally sided with the Imperial Legion, to defend his home, Whiterun, against the Stormcloak invasion.

5. Stormcloaks are ill equipped to fight off the Thalmor. While the Imperial Legion is in a bad alliance with the Thalmor, the Imperial do indeed intend to fight off the Thalmor occupation.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:53 am

I usually side with the Empire because with Skyrim as part of the Empire, the strength of the humans is great. Without the Nords, that strength is greatly diminished for the humans, thus making the Thalmor Elves closer to their goal of no human dominance. That's my ideology anyways.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:56 am

So, pretty much Tamriel needs another Dragonborn(probably not the player though) to reunite it.
Not so much that, but a competent and powerful leader would suffice. One with some otherworldly power and bloodline or some other pact made with an Aedra or Daedra would help as well.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:27 am

Solstheim = New Zealand ( :evil:)
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:52 am

Yes but their ultimate goal is to destroy the physical world in an effort to regain their divinity so they think. So yes Talos worship is the least of their worries as they have a greater ultimatum planned out.

[This is my reply to the convo, [TheCasualAssassin] I some how messed up the post and cant change it]This is true but that is their End-Goal. It seems their most current objective after diving a conquering the other nations is to issue an organzied genocide of all man.

Yeah just ideas flowing on here I get a lot of typos that way.

An empire cannot exist without a leader so that is a must first and foremost. We need a great and tacticle leader, one than can stand in the face of adversity and defeat insurmountable odds like the Dominion. He must have a way to have those stand with him to the very end, he cannot falter even if the White Gold Tower is in flames. He or she must have the power and influence to regain all the lost nations to restore the empire to its former glory and unify a broken empire.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:27 pm

Lol..Talos worship?? The Thalmor banning the worship of Talos is the least of Tamriel's problems. For the better half of 100 years, the Thalmor have been positioning themselves to break the Imperial alliance between the nations of Tamriel and conquer them while they are divided and in disarray. Then the Thalmor plan on enslaving/eradicating anyone who is Non-Altmer. The Thalmor in my opinion are comparable to the Nazis...They see themselves as the supreme race and wish to do away with all others.
Don't forget they're similar to nazis in that they've got stylish outfits.

That aside, it's true, while there is information that removing Talos from Myth is an important part of their master plan, I believe its inclusion in their peace agreement was, just like the terms for ceding parts of Hammerfell, included as to alienate Skyrim so that once they've rebuilt, they can work on invading divided provinces instead of a united Empire. When
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that wasn't working and High King Torygg and his subjects continued to worship Talos behind their backs, they brought about the Markarth Incident.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:43 pm

It does seem that way. They seem to be methodically picking apart and gaining control of our known world for their end game.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:38 pm

Regarding the Dunmer in Windhelm:

There's a long history of conflict and enmity between Skyrim and Morrowind. Nords and the Dunmer have good reasons for distrusting eachother, based on their history. Ulfric is actually being rather generous by letting the Dunmer refugees live *inside* his city. There are also Dunmer landowners and of course Niranye, who's an Altmeri of all things, who seem more than tolerated by the locals. Niranye even hints at the fact that the local Dark Elves might have their attitudes to blame for some of the treatment they're getting.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:32 pm

Odd that people take offence at the patriotism of the Nords (and call it racism), while the Thalmor are self-avowed racial supremacists and religious bigots, with the Empire as their Vichy government.

The cause of Ulfric and his Stormcloaks seems just and legitmate, even by our modern standards: Nord self-determination and struggle against rleigious intolerance.

Nobody is twisting patriotism into racism.

Take a walk through Windhelm. The racism is pretty blatant.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:32 am

I can't understand why, in a recent poll, sooo many people favoured the imperials over the stormcloaks.
The imperials captured you, and we about to execute you for no reason, and you were not even on the list to be executed. Is this a group of people you want to work for? lol
They have a reason for executing you.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:55 pm

Not so much that, but a competent and powerful leader would suffice. One with some otherworldly power and bloodline or some other pact made with an Aedra or Daedra would help as well.
While not a necessity I believe that a Dragonborn Emperor would have an easier time claiming the throne since sharing such a unique trait with the god-hero of the Empire would be a mighty symbol for people ot rally behind.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:38 am


Take a walk through Windhelm. The racism is pretty blatant.
Its very apparent for sure.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:48 pm

While not a necessity I believe that a Dragonborn Emperor would have an easier time claiming the throne since sharing such a unique trait with the god-hero of the Empire would be a mighty symbol for people ot rally behind.
I agree with that a hundred and ten percent anybody with dragon blood and a pact with an Aedra would be far easier to rally behind especially if they had otherworldly powers.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:14 am


Nobody is twisting patriotism into racism.

Take a walk through Windhelm. The racism is pretty blatant.
It's more of facisim than it is racism.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:35 pm

It does seem that way. They seem to be methodically picking apart and gaining control of our known world for their end game.

Oh? Lol, I've still neglected to finish the MQ so I wasnt aware of the extent of their progress on that...I'm bout to get on that right now.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:55 am

Oh? Lol, I've still neglected to finish the MQ so I wasnt aware of the extent of their progress on that...I'm bout to get on that right now.
No I have not even began the main quest, just from looking at their motives I have begin to conclude that, I would not post a spoiler here like that open for all to see. I hate spoilers... :biggrin:
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:22 pm

For being tough Nords the stormcloaks sure do love to complain alot. Skyrim wasnt the only one to lose sons and daughters during the Great War.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:53 am

No I have not even began the main quest, just from looking at their motives I have begin to conclude that, I would not post a spoiler here like that open for all to see. I hate spoilers... :biggrin:

Ohh, ok. Lol. I still wanna see what happens at the end. MQ, here I come..
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:31 pm

Ohh, ok. Lol. I still wanna see what happens at the end. MQ, here I come..
Yeah, I generally wait a long time to play the main quest in these games.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:13 am

Ulfric favors Nords, and does little to help those who aren't Nords while busy fighting the war, but he's not blatantly racist, I'd say.

Seriously, get to know him a bit through the questline. A lot of Stormcloaks aren't as hardcoe as he is, but are still fighting for their homeland.

The Stormcloaks don't hate the Empire so much as they hate the Thalmor. Why wouldn't an independent and UNITED Skyrim place itself back under Imperial rule in the long run when it becomes clear that the Empire is ready to fight back against the Thalmor? Ulfric's Skyrim and the rest of the Empire is a dream team, and a more powerful force than if Skyrim were fully run by an Empire fraught with Thalmor corruption.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:32 am

You see everyone plays the Stormcloaks are racists card all the time. Now lets journey back to TES III and see how much hate the Dunmer had for others and even had legal slavery in their province. Most of the races have different degrees of disdain for each other through the games and lore, so none of them are much better then the other IMO.

There wasn't a civil war going on in Morrowind that pitted the Dunmer against an uprising of slaves.

My character did, however, free any and all slaves he came across.

So I don't exactly see how the native Dunmer of Morrowind being racist has anything to do with the Nords of Skyrim being racist or not.
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