http://www.bethblog.com/index.php/2011/11/28/skyrim-1-2-update/comment-page-1/#comment-219667

Its at the top.

Not getting the CK this week.

So get all your anger out of your system, but can it please be contained to this one thread o_o?

Not angry at all. We waited for Skyrim for five years, we can wait for the CK a few days more.
Take your time, Bethesda.

Hopefully it won't turn into weeks.

As long as it works, they can take all the time they need as far as I'm concerned.

The CK is co-dependent on the game and vice-versa. The game has just recently been released and they are working to patch it. In doing so they may be doing things that have an impact on the CK (adding/removing parameters, changing in game semantics, etc.). It would be pretty bad form to release a CK and have it out of date three days later when you release a patch.

Or they are tired and need a break.

Or they are still working to polish the CK to an acceptable degree.

Or there are logistical reasons to release the CK and the patch at the same time.

Take your pick or make up another one. Something good like a nefarious Microsoft plot. Something insulting like complete indifference on the part of Bethesda. Maybe a secret petition from all of those nasty console users who don't want PC players to have their beloved CK. Those are much more fun than reasonable explanations

Okay in that case, i think, it was the freemasons.

My mom is a freemason.

...I'll grab the frying pan.

Everything I've read is that this is an updated version of the Gamebryo engine. You'll note that people are able to open Skyrim files with Oblivion tools for a reason.

When Obsidian licensed the NWN engine to develop NWN2, they rewrote the renderer considerably, but it was still an updated version of the NWN engine.

No CK this week by the look of things. An update on Bethblog by Gstaff. No comment posted in the CK thread here as yet though.

Women cannot be Freemasons. It is a male-only order. I know as I am a member.

She could belong to the Order of the Eastern Star.

Actually..Fallout Tools. Unless you're counting TESsnip.

It doesn't support DirectX11, they said so in an interview. The game uses mostly DX9.

If the engine isn't Gamebryo then how come modders were able to use FNV fixes with only minor modifications? Such as the Large Address Aware patch.

Large address aware isn't restricted to Gamebryo.

Creation engine, according to interviews with TH, was built specifically for Skyrim.

I know, and I got excited too. It's a load of bs of course, but it sounds really nice.

No, the Creation Engine is nothing but an updated version of Gamebryo. Anyone with basic understanding of game engines can see that.

Actually, the game uses only DX9. Bethesda did say that DX11 is used to increase performance, but fans who anolyzed the game discovered that it never accesses neither DX11 nor DX10.

It's an updated version of their previous engine, which had the Gamebryo rendering engine. The Gamebryo part of the game has been removed and Bethesda created their own custom rendering engine. So no, it's not an updated Gamebryo engine.

This is like saying when a car gets a brand new engine that it still has the same engine because the wheels are the same.

I keep reading, seeing and hearing people talk about. "PC Gaming is only a small percentage of the market.... That is why the creation Kit is not out yet."

You ever see the Staples "Easy" Button. A friend of mine has one that say B%$# S%$#. Well I am calling BS. For all the people out there that say that the PC gamers are in the minority. I want to ask you this. Look at all the top mods from Oblivion, how many of those ideas made there way into Skyrim???? The Modding community helps drive the game designers. I am tired of getting the short end of the stick.

Look at the past, what games can you say are still being played today that are older than 5 years that can't be modded? I am still playing Morrowind and Oblivion. I fully expect to be playing Skyrim for years to come.

If it seems like I am complaining it may be because I AM.

I have been waiting patiently for the Creation Kit. I just hope it is not like Fable 2 I waited and waited for it to be released for the PC. Then found they weren't going to release it. SO I bought an XBOX (Big Mistake) played the game and found it wasn't worth the time. Now I have an XBOX 360 collecting dust. I don't get rid of it because you never know that might be my only choice to play a new game....

I don't think the creation kit is going to be released. It was a ploy to get more PC buyers and older ES fans, but they have no intention of releasing it, most likely.

I'm starting to feel a little impatient - not about it not being available yet, but just the lack of update - I'd just like to know whether we're looking at a couple of weeks or a couple of months (or longer)! Just some indication would be good. I have ideas for a couple of small projects for my own use (and maybe for release if I can get them to a standard that I think is worthy!) and I'm keen to start tinkering with things, but I do need the CK for that as I wouldn't know how to start without it.


Quite, the games that I have played most over my entire PC gaming life have been Morrowind, Oblivion, CIV 4, and NWN - all games which are relatively easy to mod thanks to tools provided by the developers, and hence have spawned a lot of great work including large successful modding projects, but also user-friendly enough that I can make small adjustments to the game for my own use and pleasure!

That's all fine and well, but I'm pretty sure Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft, Civilization, Mount&Blade, and Sim City would add to that statement.

I strongly doubt this. Do you have any evidence for this claim?

I know for a fact that the devs lamented some things being hard-coded in Oblivion, that proved annoying to work with once they got to editing things in the CS (the magic effects were one of them).

This is accurate.

Unlikely; even if every content developer had such skills (which they may), things are simply faster and more efficient if it just does its job.

They have confirmed this for previous games. I do not know of any particular claim of the same for Skyrim, but I doubt things have changed.

Your claim about productivity are dubious; having everything in one place is undeniably more efficient. Considering the sheer amount of work that needed to be done, it makes sense to make sure the tool they're using is thorough and quick/easy to use.

Time spent after release to remove these things again costs them much less than time spent before.

You would be wrong. I doubt more than 5% of Oblivion owners ever used a mod — and plenty of those who did, bought the game not knowing it was even an option, or having no interest in doing so. It's not a major selling point for them.

On the other hand, reneging on promises is a PR nightmare, plus really, the devs have done a fair amount of work supporting the mod community over the years (and it's never been a major selling point), so someone over there must like us.

Sorry to interrupt your pissing match ladies,but could we get back on topic before the thread is locked? How about an update or progress report Beth?,this is BS what you are doing to your fans.

Yes please, a update on the CK would be nice. We wont kill you for missing a deadline . Just a rough estimate on when it comes out. This month, next month, next year? Anything will do Bethesda . At least we can stop spamming the board and safe bandwith on ur end.

Actually, that's not really true. The renderer & co. are still based on Gamebryo (as in it's Gamebryo code). I haven't looked at Fallout 3/NV's but I would say that it would be fairly similar to Skyrim's. They seem to have added much to it through their own engineering though, when compared to Oblivion, but it's all built around Gamebryo v2.2.0.0. The file format version's 20.2.0.7.

PS: And yes, Skyrim only implements the DirectX9 API.

A note in general: When you say Gamebryo, you are only talking about the game's rendering engine and its related code (such as scenegraph implementation, low-level animation code, 3D data serialization viz. the NIF file format, etc).