Here is where we are going to have to agree to disagree.

According to your logic that -other races do not understand or respect honor and glory" which is not only false but a clear racist remark, this one sentence has condemed you.

Other races do understand and Respect honor and glory it's just they don't need to become glorified alchoholics that have a bone to pick with everyone to prove it.

Nords don't believe in rebuilding and as such many of their buildings are either in ruins or look like crap because they can't even repair the shingles. In other words they say it's their religion not to rebuild when in reality it's a way of saying "Fighting is for champions, building is for sissys and the dishonorable!" And because they don't rebuild or repair their houses/buildings/fort they end up complaining how easily these buildings are destroyed in the event of a natural disaster and they immediatly abandoned their traditional home and go look for an un-tainted land to build something new and leave their trash behind.

Now someone mentioned here that the Stormcloaks and most nords are racist and they shouldn't be unless it's the elves because the elves deserve it for what they did -thousands of years ago-. Now if we look at it, it clearly states that Nords hold a grudge a big never ending grudge.

Now what's that, the term many males say about females? That Females -REMEMBER- and -CONTINUOUSLY HOLD A GRUDGE-? If we were to apply that term here then that means all Nords even the males are essentially female. And how are females treated even on here by many forum posters? Weak and shouldn't be speaking.

So in essense when applying this "logic" found on the forum that means Nords, and Stormcloaks "Being all that a True Nord is supposed to be" are essentially "Grudge carrying weak females that shouldn't be speaking and should stick to the kitchen" But since most nords are warriors that means if they stay in the kitchen all their food will be burnt and disgusting which is probably why many Nords import their food from Cyrodil.

Now in another view point. The Snow elves which we now know as falmer, had initially welcomed the first batch of proto-Nords from their native home of Atmora ((which is the true native land of the Nords, NOT SKYRIM)). The elves helped the Nords learn how to survive in what would eventually become Skyrim's harsh climate and brutal winters. The Elves helped them build and taught them how to farm.

It's the equivelent of a family taking in a runaway teen and helping that teen get on their feet.

Now the relationship was a good one at first until the land began flooding with nords, what began as a trickle of water turned into a massive flood of Nord immigrants who sailed to this land of Atmora. The elves felt threatened as they were much smaller in racial percentage than the massive surge of Nords.

Now think of it back to that family who helped the runaway teen. The runaway teen now turns into an entire highschool of alchohol-driven partiers who flood that house, take over, start eating all the food, breaking everything and feeling entired to a house that isn't theres.

Realisticly you, as those home owners ((which many of you are kids and don't know anything about this concept yet)) Would begin kicking out those teens by force, essentially bringing a gun and start scareing them off.

That's what the Snow Elves did. It wasn't because of the Eye of Magnus that has been there longer than the Nords that the elves wanted for themselves, it was because the elves felt threatened by a massive surge of a race that was much larger than theirs in % and at the time ((and in cases still today)) a great big parasite of the land. Now don't get me wrong they probably shouldn't of killed everyone there but it was quite possibly the few trouble makers of the elven species.

Rather than punish the few trouble makers of the Nord species, the Nords pretyt much Ysgramor and his 2 sons gathered all their alchoholic bellowing buddies and retalated as they felt their race can do no wrong and began an elf-killing spree of even the innocent elves who were sympathetic to the Nord cause. Even after essentially killing off 90% of them and winning, the Nords continued to hold that grudge to this day and added other races to that mix. In between "War times" the grudge calmed down just a little bit to allow basic communication and tolerance. But it shoots right back up when another War starts, even if it's started by them, in this case the Stormcloaks.

Had Ulfric not whined and moaned like a cowardly baby about not being able to worship Talos and just worshipped him in secret, the Thalmor wouldn't of pushed so hard to find everyone that worshipped Talos in secret, kidnap and tortue them before killing them. Ulfric however hid for many months after starting this war which killed of thousands of people not just nords and split families apart.

The Stormcloaks are the worst the NOrds have to offer, even other Nords are sick of this bullcrap. Free-winter in windhelm, the guy who becomes the jarl of the imperial side once you kill Ulfric, doesn't agree with these ways and even wants to rebuild.

But I pity you if you continue to hide behind a logic-force field.

The Stormcloaks are true patriots involved in a war of liberation.

What right does the empire have to deny them the right of self-determination?

I did LOL can you not read?

Rolff Stone-Fist made the mistake of shouting my character "You damn grey-skin, go back to Morrowind!"... I beat him to a pulp, called him n'wah and spat on his corpse. After that I have enjoyed wiping out stormcloak camps in the wilderness at night hours.

Here is where we are going to have to agree to disagree.

According to your logic that -other races do not understand or respect honor and glory" which is not only false but a clear racist remark, this one sentence has condemed you.

Other races do understand and Respect honor and glory it's just they don't need to become glorified alchoholics that have a bone to pick with everyone to prove it.

Nords don't believe in rebuilding and as such many of their buildings are either in ruins or look like crap because they can't even repair the shingles. In other words they say it's their religion not to rebuild when in reality it's a way of saying "Fighting is for champions, building is for sissys and the dishonorable!" And because they don't rebuild or repair their houses/buildings/fort they end up complaining how easily these buildings are destroyed in the event of a natural disaster and they immediatly abandoned their traditional home and go look for an un-tainted land to build something new and leave their trash behind.

Now someone mentioned here that the Stormcloaks and most nords are racist and they shouldn't be unless it's the elves because the elves deserve it for what they did -thousands of years ago-. Now if we look at it, it clearly states that Nords hold a grudge a big never ending grudge.

Now what's that, the term many males say about females? That Females -REMEMBER- and -CONTINUOUSLY HOLD A GRUDGE-? If we were to apply that term here then that means all Nords even the males are essentially female. And how are females treated even on here by many forum posters? Weak and shouldn't be speaking.

So in essense when applying this "logic" found on the forum that means Nords, and Stormcloaks "Being all that a True Nord is supposed to be" are essentially "Grudge carrying weak females that shouldn't be speaking and should stick to the kitchen" But since most nords are warriors that means if they stay in the kitchen all their food will be burnt and disgusting which is probably why many Nords import their food from Cyrodil.

Now in another view point. The Snow elves which we now know as falmer, had initially welcomed the first batch of proto-Nords from their native home of Atmora ((which is the true native land of the Nords, NOT SKYRIM)). The elves helped the Nords learn how to survive in what would eventually become Skyrim's harsh climate and brutal winters. The Elves helped them build and taught them how to farm.

It's the equivelent of a family taking in a runaway teen and helping that teen get on their feet.

Now the relationship was a good one at first until the land began flooding with nords, what began as a trickle of water turned into a massive flood of Nord immigrants who sailed to this land of Atmora. The elves felt threatened as they were much smaller in racial percentage than the massive surge of Nords.

Now think of it back to that family who helped the runaway teen. The runaway teen now turns into an entire highschool of alchohol-driven partiers who flood that house, take over, start eating all the food, breaking everything and feeling entired to a house that isn't theres.

Realisticly you, as those home owners ((which many of you are kids and don't know anything about this concept yet)) Would begin kicking out those teens by force, essentially bringing a gun and start scareing them off.

That's what the Snow Elves did. It wasn't because of the Eye of Magnus that has been there longer than the Nords that the elves wanted for themselves, it was because the elves felt threatened by a massive surge of a race that was much larger than theirs in % and at the time ((and in cases still today)) a great big parasite of the land. Now don't get me wrong they probably shouldn't of killed everyone there but it was quite possibly the few trouble makers of the elven species.

Rather than punish the few trouble makers of the Nord species, the Nords pretyt much Ysgramor and his 2 sons gathered all their alchoholic bellowing buddies and retalated as they felt their race can do no wrong and began an elf-killing spree of even the innocent elves who were sympathetic to the Nord cause. Even after essentially killing off 90% of them and winning, the Nords continued to hold that grudge to this day and added other races to that mix. In between "War times" the grudge calmed down just a little bit to allow basic communication and tolerance. But it shoots right back up when another War starts, even if it's started by them, in this case the Stormcloaks.

Had Ulfric not whined and moaned like a cowardly baby about not being able to worship Talos and just worshipped him in secret, the Thalmor wouldn't of pushed so hard to find everyone that worshipped Talos in secret, kidnap and tortue them before killing them. Ulfric however hid for many months after starting this war which killed of thousands of people not just nords and split families apart.

The Stormcloaks are the worst the NOrds have to offer, even other Nords are sick of this bullcrap. Free-winter in windhelm, the guy who becomes the jarl of the imperial side once you kill Ulfric, doesn't agree with these ways and even wants to rebuild.

But I pity you if you continue to hide behind a logic-force field.

Honor and glory is exactly what Ulfric Stormcloak didnt have...
Otherwise he hadnt used an unfair advantage in his duel against the high king.