I don't know if your comment is targeted at me or not, but I never stated that. What you are (Casual Gamer, hardcoe Gamer, etc) is not my concern, live and let live. If you're happy gaming on a console so be it but I won't stand for console gamers continuing with this "PC Elitism" thing. Basically each time a PC gamer shows he's proud that he's a PC gamer, he gets called a PC elitist. And I never mentioned that consoles gamers are ruining PC gamer's games, but I did mention that, CONSOLES (not console gamers) are ruining PC Gaming because they're damn 6 years behind. FFS Sony and Microsoft, get out of your little caves and release the next damn gen consoles already. And to make it all worse, developers prefer making console-to-pc ports, not the other way around, because they're getting too lazy. The only one that genuinely makes games truly optimized, without performing like [censored] on the PC, is Blizzard.

It's possible. Portal 2 on PS3 has Steam integration and other games, perhaps an Elder Scroll game, could follow the same path.

Expansion which is what SI is.. is not the same thing as a DLC.

that means potentially the PS line could get mods but what of the Xboxxers is there any steam for them?

You just made his point stronger though. You're like saying :

"Not only mods > DLC, but mods > expansions too."

You people who love consoles need to realize that the machines you purchase are really nothing more than a form of physical DRM. The appeal of consoles to the consumer is that they're relatively inexpensive, easy to use and will let them play video games; the appeal of consoles to the manufacturer and publishers is that they'll not only be able to sell their content to consumers, but that they'll be able to control it much more easily. The same philosophy applies to iPods, iPads et al.

Thus, you really shouldn't be surprised about certification processes for patches, MS/Sony having the final say on mods (because maybe naked briast mods would hurt their reputation), being charged to play your games online (although Xbox users are no doubt used to this by now), your console being bricked if they decide you're doing something unscrupulous online, and so on. That's a hidden cost of consoles: You don't have nearly as much control over your console as you think.

Mods? Maybe. Creation Kit? No. Because you need a PC to be able to use the Creation Kit fully.

This is so true.

Todd says a lot, but he's a mere apprentice when compared to Peter Molyneux.

(yeah, I know, a little late on the reply)

Don't even mention that name!!!

Bethesda want to be able to make mods available to consoles they've always said that, the problem is Microsoft and Sony insist it would break the EULA if people modded the games. Until the two companies change their philosophy Bethesda's hands are tied

svck it, Trebek. Then go buy a PC. A great big world of modding goodness will open up to you.

Initially it's being set up so Bethesda can get their finger in the potential cash cow that is the 'mod pie'. It's obvious they plan to make money out of mods in conjunction with Steam. With PC users having to cough up the dough. Whether the plan is to work alongside third party modders or remove them from the equation entirely, remains to be seen.

Once they've layed the foundations the next logical step is a transition of controlled modded content to whatever consoles are top of the pile at the time. Of course this still doesn't bypass the need for MS/Sony certification but breaking down those barriers will only take time.

The whole bethblog post nullifies your argument. They said if you still want to release your mods via other distribution methods and websites; They're cool with it.

I don't think Bethesda has any plans to charge for user-made mods anytime soon.

http://www.bethblog.com/2011/12/01/skyrim-what-were-working-on/

QFT

Not sure 'nullifies your argument' is the correct phrase there dude, and frankly it just sounds silly.

What I said and what that blog said are not mutually exlusive.

As you said 'anytime soon', and as I said 'remains to be seen' are the operative phrases here.

You know you spend alot of time calling computer players dense, but the reality is that you have no damn idea what you are talking about.

For one a decent gaming PC doesnt cost 4-6 thousand dollars try about 1,500 dollars and a 1,500 dollar pc will last you a hell of alot longer than 6 months, from experience mine has lasted about 4-5 years and can still play Skyrim on ultra settings.

The cancer is spreading. We must keep the mods safe.

I built my PC 3 years ago, and it cost me ￡450. It runs Skyrim on High/Ultra settings.

Actually:
Nvidia 550ti = 134.99
8 gigs of ram = 39.99
Motherboard = 49.99
Intel core i5-2300 3.1 ghz quadcore cpu = 184.99

Grand total = $409.96

And I can play the game on ultra settings.

So dont listen to the Console Elitist morons that insist you have to shell out thousands of dollars for a good gaming pc. The truth is that your first PC investment will be the the most money you will spend and after that you will just swap out parts as you need it.

It's not "easy peasy" is it?

You can't just "make mods compatible". It doesn't work like that.

Gaming computers are cheap, like I mentioned earlier mine was ￡450 3 years ago. I haven't upgraded it since I bought it and it works fine.

The game was NOT developed on the 360 and was NOT ported to the PC. The interface is designed for a controller, but the game was made for all three platforms at once. If it was a port, then we wouldn't have better quality graphics, the creation kit, the ability to mod it or the console, would we?

How would they chose what mods to select? Compatibility? What about the money they'd need to give to the modders? Mods that rival Bethesda's own DLC? Mods that can break saves? Mods that use the script extender? Need mod managers to work? Add too much to reduce performance?

It's not easy. And because of that it won't happen. End of. I know it would be cool. But when people go "it's easy" and take the mick out of PC users when they know nothing about mods and nothing about the development of the game, it frustrates me.

I spent 300 dollars on a 360 5+ years ago and it plays any game that comes out. Same concept doesn't work with PCs, at all. 8 gigs of ram for 40 bucks? WTF?

With the current state of the PS3 platform, adding anything more to the game at the moment would be a bad idea.


That's because developers have to use static 360/PS3 hardware. Badly I might add, low graphics, terrible framerate, upscaled HD, I pity anyone who chooses consoles over PCs.

All games have to be downgraded and crapped on just so the 360 can play them. This doesn't make your console good.

Who said it was good? I'm well aware PC gaming is better as that's what I used for many years.

But in terms of money, the console is the better choice. Don't invent arguments to be a part of the PC Master Race.