Established lore is established lore. Besides the gameplay dialogue for the Cyrodiilic vampires, there are two books that come hand in hand with each other. You think other things did not get changed throughout the Elder Scrolls? Beast races changed, hell, even the geography of Cyrodiil changed. You shouldn't think everything in the Elder Scrolls is NOT a credible source because it might contradict with previously established "history". We do not know much about the Nine Clans of Daggerfall. They could of easily joined forces, migrated to Cyrodiil and call themselves the Cyrodiilic vampires. You think bethesda would just add two ingame books and say "New information on vampires. But it is not credible. It is false."

If Immortal Blood was not credible? Then why is Movarth Piquine in the game as an easter egg? Or you think someone went out and called themselves Morvarth for the hell of it? Because there surely is enough proof that someone randomely named himself Movarth from an ingame book.

Playing devil's advocate here, because I don't like Vampirism being a walk in the park, but the above could easily cut both ways.

I understand that it is established lore and I love reading those books. However what do you do when your lore gets in the way of good game play. When they wrote that book they were making being a vampire a disease with some benefits but not enough to offset all you loose. And a lot of people did not flock to that idea, fans of vampires were disappointed that playing what they love without mods was just not fun. Feeding was there only to blend easier, other then that it just has no purpose. Now possibly they are trying to make being a vampire more of a viable choice and I as a fan support that idea. I wish it did not conflict with lore, but I see no other way for them to fix it.Or they may explain that the daedric prince was rewarding his vampires by lessening some of there curses.

Oh I see so Morrowind and Oblivion can conflict with previously established "history" but Skyrim can't? Hows that logical you just defeated your own argument.

Why does Movarth Piquine infect you with Sanguinare Vampiris. Instead of Porphyric Hemophilia? maybe the author of immortal blood was really a skyrim vampire spreading misinformation and not a cyrodilic one. Or some a-hole vampire just took the name for recognition and prestige.

While you do have a point, vamps would have a harder time surviving if feeding was the opposite. If you starved and got weaker, that would be more painful than feeding to make the vampiric powers recede. If you wanted to hang out in Solitude, you'd be grouped as someone who has failing health. If you embraced your nature and fed, you'd quickly be noticed as a vampire and you would either be run out of town or you'd be burned at the stake. Current vampirism, thanks to the wonderful Clavicus Vile, allows you to embrace your vampiric nature without being detected. What Vile did was a blessing, not a curse. Not all vampires want to be Stage 4/Vamp Lord, some just want the life extending capabilties. Those people would never be able to enjoy life at it's fullest if they were old, deteriorated and weak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g73o_PAZ5sI
It is not in the tree...watch this video

Don't twist my words. The reason Skyrim is different is not only because of the vampire's ability to masquerade, but because a character that was originally a Cyrodiilic vampire is now in Skyrim, which only adds more confusion and speculation. Also note that Vicente Valtieri, by rights, should be a member of the Quarra. So even the lore of Morrowind was "butchered" too. I am not taking sides, I am just trying to understand a bit more on this subject.

Or maybe Bethesda screwed up? Why, then, do the Cyrodiilic vampire like to feed on sleeping people? Or the fact that they are the only clan seen in Skyrim? You do know that there was a quest relating to that book? It was a recommended read to the quest of the "Order of the Virtuous Blood".

If the narrator was spreading misinformation about the Cyrodiilic vampires, then why in the Manifesto Vampyrum, the Cyrodiilic vampires are the same exact thing? The only clan in Cyrodiil that apparently ousted all other competitors? We see Janus Hassildor matching the decription of a Cyrodiilic vampire. He sends you out to wipe an entire cavern of blood-thirsty vampires because he considers them barbaric and animalistic, just as the vampire(s) who wrote the manifesto do. Or you think bethesda just added that book for the hell of it?

In the end, I think by now it i obvious Bethesda changes their lore time and time again.

Correct me if I'm wrong as I know little of TES lore, but aren't the new Vampires different from the Vanilla ones?

That is what the vid says

Well I hope it is a perk because I will just avoid that perk with my Cyrodiilic vampire.

They basicly confirm it in the GI magazine, forgot word for word but basicly said something like "once you are a vampire lord you will no longer be attacked while a regular vampire" I am guessing regular means human looking.

TBH I really REALLY like this because I hated how when I was blood starved I would look the freaken same even as if I was level one and if I wasnt paying attention enough than I would just randomly get attacked or god forbid get stuck in my house and apon walking out be killed -__-
So ya I am very very happy about it all, the only thing I wish they would change is this: I get being able to change into the vampire lord form at will but than again it really blows there seems to be no restraint if you could just do it at will, if you don't want to be attacked than don't turn into a giant bat creature :/

Again another time were I would love a "FORCED" transformation like say this is the new blood starved level and you automaticly turn into a vampire lord or something, there is also the issue of "Did they fix the whole "drink more blood get stronger instead of weaker and starve urself get weaker instead of stronger"BS?

I honestly dont mind if stage four doesn't have penalty's. In oblivion I never reached stage 4 I would always feed once a day to keep myself healthy. I do the same in skyrim. By now its habit for me to feed even if they take the negative effects away from stage four I will probably never reach it

Of course, this appeals to casual gamers. We all have our own opinion

Screw casual gamers! I think Bethesda needs to keep the current vampires the same, and just add in the new ones. But that is just my opinion.

Heres the link, Its an automatic perk it seems. if you have the ability to change into a vampire lord you wont get attacked in your normal vampire form.

link removed, Forgot scans werent allowed.

So unless they change it so that you gain power if you feed then theres no point in drinking blood to make yourself weaker. i agree with OP this needs changing.

I share the opinion regarding the vampires. But I suppose turning into a vampire lord changes the current vampire you have.

It makes perfect sense actually.
The disease vampirism progresses the longer one is blood-starved, in exactly the same way a serious illness progresses when you dont take any medicine.
Blood is the medicine.

Also, everyone seems to keep forgetting about the necromage perk.
People that say vampires are underpowered or pointless have obviously never experienced the synergy this perk gives in conjuction with being classed as undead.

Edit: I just had an idea:
If being a vampire lord means you will no longer get attacked being a stage four vampire, and if its a perk, then this does not neccesarily negate the need to feed.
I can imagine my vampire feeding because he doesnt want to turn into a vampire lord, same as now he doesnt want to become stage four.

Seriously, with the Necromage perk, illusion spells (especially invisibility), you are the most overpowered being in existence.

The point now is that theres no drawback to keeping yourself at hunger stage 4, If theres no disadvantage at stage 4 since you no longer get attacked, Then whats the point of feeding when it will just make you weaker? you may as well stay at hunger stage 4 forever, So theres no need to ever feed on someone.

Not to mention this also ties in with, once again, the whole Clavicus Vile issue. If a select few vampires want to blend in, they feed daily at the cost of greater power. If they want greater power, they must endure 72 hours of starvation and lose their mortal guise. It goes to a whole new supernatural level of Daedric influence. And we all know Clavicus Vile always does a bargain that has downsides.

I wonder why the vampires in his quest worshiped him to find a cure rather than Molag Bal.

Exactly.

This

Wait wait wait, are you calling me a dang casual gamer *and others* because I like vampires how they should be and are irl movies and books and such? I am sure but vampires DRINK blood, that should NOT be a penilty at all, it just doesn't make any sense, they need blood so they don't starve!
Would it make sense that if I was starving, ate some bread than became hunger or weaker from eatting food that should make me full and strong?No it doesnt.

I know it is lore but also the whole "lore is lore" argument failed in relating it to wearing a full suit of armor that covers your face and body, again just because your character is say a stage level 4 vampire the only way people SHOULD know this is if A.They have seen a vampire wearing that same suit of armor before and guess it is you B.See you without the helmet OFF and see you ARE a vampire.

Just because you are a vampire wearing a cloak or hood or helmet that covers your face fully or in shadow, unless they remove it or get super close to you they should as normal NPCS should not be able to see thru anything. Its like the glitch where putting a iron pot over their head, that was realistic in the sense it cut off their vision.

Also very shocked at you W&V I thought when Skyrim came out again you were the first one there with me defending the cases of how freaken stupid the vampire feeding was and how it didn't make sense.

A dual casted frenzy works on almost all opponents, well past level 50 as well.
A vampire necromage is excellent at crowd control.
But alchemy, enchanting, doomstones and some perks are also affected.
Youre right, a necromage vampire is an absolute power house.
Very fun to play, especially if like me you dont use enchanting to counter the lack of regeneration.
I either have to wait till dark or manage my health/ stamina/ magicka carefully.

I hope they will change the vampire progression system. A fully fed vampire should be the strongest and each day that you dont feed more penalties kick in. That`s a logical system.
And they should make it like in Oblivion where you will be only attacked if you directly talk to guards or other people because they look in your face. I find it silly that the whole town runs amok as soon as I enter a town at stage 4. Does everyone have Hawkeyes or binoculars?