well said. best post of the thread

I feel glad about it.

As it basically points out (in capital letters) that Bethesda has hit the epitome of how streamlined the core mechanics of the game can be to appeal to mass audiences while still maintaining appeal to its core fans. We can only see growth in depth from this point, leading to more of a hybrid system between the fluidity the game has now and the complexity that worked in the earlier TES titles.

I forgot to say what I really meant to say.

While Bethesda`s success might be good, it might also be very bad as we could see rpgs totally dying. Maybe they are al ready dead.

I can certianly see a time when I`ll throw down Bethesda`s game in disgust due to feeling like being treated as a 2 year old with Oblivion and if it had not been for Mods I would have never have bough the game. FallOut 3 surprised me because it actually was less childish than Oblivion still no Fallout 1 or 2 though in terms of gameplay quality.

But one day they may even take away Mod use or restrict it (Steam comes to mind).

Then what do we do? I guess someone will have to `re-invent` the true RPG in their bedrooms all over again...

We`ll know in a few years, methinks.

Dissappointed I contributed to it by not waiting to read what my experiece would be like on the forums.
Even more so when I realise I could have skipped most of the issues and got GoTY edition at a fraction of the price with all the DLC's.

I'm conflicted - on the one hand I am glad it is getting the success, because it is a great game and I am a fan of the entire series. The Elder Scrolls games (along with others like Gothic, Stalker, Two Worlds, Fallout..) replaced my obsession with Final Fantasy (my former mistress). Playing Morrowind completely cured me from the disappointment I faced with each new Final Fantasy, and also lasted much longer than 3 or 4 of those games put together. Heck, I'm still not finished with Morrowind, and I have played Skyrim 264 hours (a fraction of my total Morrowind play). So this being my favorite RPG series, I am estatic about it's success.

BUT - on the other hand I don't want that to go to the developer's head, and start doing things to further generalize the experience. I don't want MMO, it's already been proven that a game doesn't have to be an MMO to rake in cash... how many copies did Skyrim sell again? I worry about support for the game, and most of all - will we get the issues fixed quickly? I am 264 hours, yes, but I cannot play because the game crashes whenever I go into a building or leave one area to go to another (someone called these "transitional crashes"). A whole lot of people are complaining about these sorts of crashes - will they get fixed NOW, or will we be waiting forever like we had to wait for Fallout New Vegas to be fixed? Are we going to see a whole lot of DLC popping up... but no fixes? I am not confident that fixes will be on the front burner, so I keep my enthusiasm in reserve until I can continue my game and go into those areas without looking at my desktop. And if this is done with all seriousness and haste, THEN will I say without reservation that I am 100% happy about the games "success".

He should of known better then to ask a forum this question. A forum especially filled with old raging gamers.

I'm happy for the success of Bethesda and Elder Scrolls. I'm happy to see it become a truly mainstream success. Does my heart good knowing there's a market out there for deep games.

If only it could have gone mainstream while being a deep game.
Alas, it had to become shallow indeed to get that far.
Is that really an achievement?
The beautiful maiden now dresses as a painted [censored] and suddenly is popular.
Hm.

Skyrim isn't shallow. But I'm not bringing this argument into every thread.

Likewise.

In most of the forums I traverse too there's a large thread on it. It really encompassed a variety of gamers.

It deserves it in my book.

fair anology.

And thus the headstone of TES was placed upon its grave.

Skyrim is shallow.
I do not know what criteria you handle.
When after the main quest nothing changes and no-one knows.
When after the civil war nothing changes and no-one knows.
When after the so-called 'guilds' nothing changes and no-one knows.

When whatever race you are, skills you have, things you do, nothing changes and no-one knows
Oh and dont give me that guff about guards that know thats the most annoying feature of all.
Suddenly because I read a skill book my skill is over 25 and I get called a 'sneak-thief'never stole a thing on my character.

Do not tell me Skyrim has depth.
It is bare it is bones.

The only merit that it has is that it is beautiful bones.

Is it necessary to constantly argue this in every thread you can? Make peace please. Your not convincing anyone.

*hand over the skooma or flin*
Peace?

In other words, remain silent while people stand idly by (or what's worse, defending) something that is destroying what you hold dear. Nobody wants any trouble... just move along kind sir.

....It's a video-game not a Peace Corps. mission. Anyway that's besides the point. These complaints have been made since Morrowind and it's nothing new. This is the Skyrim forum. If you enjoyed the game and wish to discuss you should linger and post. If you didn't....say your say and move on. If not it resembles trolling in my book.

No one is trolling here. We're all TES fans. Just because I don't like Skyrim doesn't mean I shouldn't voice concerns about it. I don't want them to continue to cut material and settle for less without saying something about it. Fair enough?

Edit: Vanilla*

No. Not really. Look at the content on my page if you wish. I have made valid complaints about the game many times. But I also discuss the game. The difference is...I don't go to a thread looking to find a way to complain about the game that I obviously don't like. I go to the thread looking to discuss it. That's the difference between a constructive forumer and a troll. You can be a TES fan. But you can just as easily be a Skyrim General Discussions troll.

I haven't said anything that doesn't pertain to the OP; perhaps you are mistaken?

Selling out is bad mmkay.

But I like Skyrim.
I could, and have, writen an entire page on what it does well.

Chasing butterflies. At night there are night insects.
Couriers delivering messages.
So many lots of alchemy ingredients.
Potion recipes
Spell books you can find in loot
The dungeons. Oh, the dungeons. Most have a little story of their own.
The moons each have their own orbit now and there is an aurora tamrialis!

What are you talking about? I have stated these things not once, but numerous times in various threads.

Just because I have eye for what the game does well does that mean I should gloss over over what it does badly?
Well it does do things badly and often they are a design decision.
And then it does things badly and its a bug or just sloppyness.

This is the reality of the actual game I am playing.
No-one is helped by me praising it to high-heaven for a dollar fifty.

I praised them with my 60 dollars.

I can't share my criticism with more money.

This guy at work was talking to me about skyrim. He told me he doesn't like it because he doesn't ever know where he's supposed to go. He mainly plays call of duty and racing games. People like this is why skyrim's success bothers me and why I worry about the future of the series.

But morons aside...they've definitely earned it. It's a great game if you view it apart from it's predecessors and don't restrict your thinking to silly things like genres or labels.